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Hello DakkaDakka!

As I a usually playing only Unbound lists because, hey - why not, I suffer the illness of not being blessed by the emperor about the do's and don'ts of Battleforged armies and the like.

So my questions are rather simple:
1. If I choose to take a Detachement from my codex (in my case necrons decurion), with a core formation and a auxiliary formation, can I also choose to take an allied necron force which is unbound and contains nothing but destroyers? (because I don't have enough points for the destroyer cult formation as whole for example, but could afford single ones).
2. Do I loose some or all of the benefits of my Decurion and/or formations in it when I put those destroyers into an unbound army, with all formations (so basically, scratch allies and put everything in unbound, but still fullfilling the requirements of the formations).
3. Do Combined arms detachments ALL have objective secured, or only scoring? Because the decurion for example does not specifically say that my troops for example gain obj. sec., and in the Rulebook it sais, that my army only gains benefits if they are listed in the detachment entry.

Thanks in advance and happy wargaming!

1) No, if you're going bound it all has to be bound.
2) all of them. (for detachments. You can use FORMATIONS in an unbound army though. Those will get the bonuses.)
3) Combined Arms Detachment does. Decurion isn't a Combined Arms Detachment. Only Combined Arms Detachment is.

Um.. no. Detachments don't lose their bonuses, just because the overall army is unbound (I think).

If you're army is ...

1. Necron Decurion Detachment.
2. Ork Combined Arms Detachment
3. Dark Eldar Formation
4. random lonely Chaos Helbrute

... than the overall army is considered unbound, because of the Helbrute, but 1. - 3. would still get all the bonuses they'd get if the one Helbrute would not be in the army (e.g. Decurion-bonus for the Necrons, Obj. Secured for Ork troop choices, etc..

Wonderwolf wrote:
Um.. no. Detachments don't lose their bonuses, just because the overall army is unbound (I think).

If you're army is ...

1. Necron Decurion Detachment.
2. Ork Combined Arms Detachment
3. Dark Eldar Formation
4. random lonely Chaos Helbrute

... than the overall army is considered unbound, because of the Helbrute, but 1. - 3. would still get all the bonuses they'd get if the one Helbrute would not be in the army (e.g. Decurion-bonus for the Necrons, Obj. Secured for Ork troop choices, etc..

No, that's wrong.

The Dark Eldar Formation would get its bonus only.

Rulebook on using Battle-forged armies:

BRB wrote:... all of the units in your army must belong to a Detachment and no unit can belong to more than one Detachment.

Rulebook on Formations: (italics are my own)

BRB wrote:Unlike other Detachments, Formations can also be taken as a part of Unbound armies.

So that means that I could take the Formations (Canoptek and Reclamation) with their Buffs in an unbound list, if I field them by themselves (not in the Detach)?

And I really don't understand the point of all those Detachments, when their troops don't get objective secured. That sounds pretty awful to me.

They get other things instead - like rerolling 1st on Ressurection Protocols.

LordHesse wrote:
So that means that I could take the Formations (Canoptek and Reclamation) with their Buffs in an unbound list, if I field them by themselves (not in the Detach)?

And I really don't understand the point of all those Detachments, when their troops don't get objective secured. That sounds pretty awful to me.

1. Yes. Formations retain their Command Benefits in an unbound list.

2. The reason people take them is because they give Command Benefits (Ever-Living) that they feel are more valuable than Objective Secured. The Decurion is considered a very strong army style specifically because of that one benefit, it makes anything with Reanimation Protocols that much more durable on a roll that few attacks negate.

LordHesse wrote:
So that means that I could take the Formations (Canoptek and Reclamation) with their Buffs in an unbound list, if I field them by themselves (not in the Detach)?

And I really don't understand the point of all those Detachments, when their troops don't get objective secured. That sounds pretty awful to me.

Formations and Detachments are already separate things (except in some very rare cases where detachments are made up of formations) so you always field Formations next to your detachments. Generally speaking, a unit is either a part of a Formation or a Detachment or it is unbound.

You can make an Unbound army and bring in some Formations, yes. You will benefit from their special rules.

The point of the detachments is the bonus you get from it. As a Skitarii-player, my main detachment gives me:

1) My warlord can reroll his Warlord Trait
2) My Warlord gets Preferred Enemy
3) Every unit in the Detachment gets Scout and Crusader USRs

So you're right, I don't get Objective Secured, but I get some other pretty awesome rules. And I find it very easy to stay within the limitations of the Detachment. I want the 2 troop choices that I have to take, and I'm not gonna use over 8 troop choices, 4 elite choices etc etc.

So to get this straight, when I bring Formations, they are seperate things in comparison to the rest of my army.
So when I bring a Formation in a CAD which consists of two Troop choices for example, and I also bring a HQ
and another Troop choice outside the Formation, do the two Troops from the Formation count towards the CAD,
so that they gain Obj.Secured? Or don't they, because they are seperate from my CAD units?

The rule books is pretty clear: formations in unbound armies lose their command benefits but not their special rules...

LordHesse wrote:
So to get this straight, when I bring Formations, they are seperate things in comparison to the rest of my army.
So when I bring a Formation in a CAD which consists of two Troop choices for example, and I also bring a HQ
and another Troop choice outside the Formation, do the two Troops from the Formation count towards the CAD,
so that they gain Obj.Secured? Or don't they, because they are seperate from my CAD units?

They don't, because they are separate from the CAD units. So you don't "bring your formations in a CAD" because they aren't in the CAD. You bring a CAD and then you also bring a formation seperately.