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2015/06/13 04:11:30
Subject: [1850] - CSM - Just checking power creep.
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh
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I am not going to be able to field this army because i dont have 40 cultits and i am short 2 oblitz. I just want opinions if it can be competitive in todays meta. I dont know whats strong anymore. I dont know where the cheese is any more.
Cad1
Sorc@60
2x10 cultists@100 one squad join sorc and quad gun
3x3 oblitz, MoN@ 228x3=684
subtotal =844
add: adl+quadgun@100 manned by the sorc
Cad2
Sorc@60
2x10 cultists@100 one squad join sorc and quad gun
2 oblitz, MoN@156
3 oblitz, MoN@ 228
3 oblitz, MoN@ 228
subtotal=772
adl+ quad gun@100 manned by the other sorc
grand total = 1816
add in a 35pt rhino for a cult squad and pray for line breaker. What can i do With 35pts?
army break down:
40 cultits
17 obliterators with MoN. Plan on spamming lc and pc.
2 quad guns putting out 8 anti air shots.
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2015/06/13 04:19:50
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2015/06/13 04:17:14
Subject: [1850] - CSM - Just checking power creep.
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Hellacious Havoc
Kansas, USA
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Spell familiars for both Sorcerers would be a good start.
Realistically though, even with that many oblits, It wouldn't hold out too long. Sure, it'll pop armor without much issue, but once the squad is tied up in combat, it's pretty much dead. Just a PF each can't hold out against large assaults. Even if they don't die, They'll be tied up most of game meaning the opponent would just sit on objectives for the rest of it.
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"Because we couldn't be trusted. The Emperor needed a weapon that would never obey its own desires before those of the Imperium. He needed a weapon that would never bite the hand that feeds. The World Eaters were not that weapon. We've all drawn blades purely for the sake of shedding blood, and we've all felt the exultation of winning a war that never even needed to happen. We are not the tame, reliable pets that the Emperor wanted. The Wolves obey, when we would not. The Wolves can be trusted, when we never could. They have discipline we lack, because their passions are not aflame with the Butcher's Nails buzzing in the back of their skulls.
The Wolves will always come to the heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves wolves. They are tame, collared by the Emperor, obeying his every whim. But a wolf doesn't behave that way. Only a dog does.
That is why we are the Eaters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer."
- Eighth Captain Khârn |
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2015/06/13 04:34:15
Subject: [1850] - CSM - Just checking power creep.
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh
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What if i reduced oblitz to just 9? and then used ac havocs
Cad1
Sorc@60
2x10 cultists@100
4x spawns, MoN@144
3x3 oblitz@2oblitz228x3=684
adl+quad gun @100
cad 2
Sorc@60
2x10 cultists@100
4x Spawns,MoN@144
3x5 havocs, 4 ac@115x3=345
adl+quad gun@100
grand total = 1837
13pts left over. Upgrade both sorc into lords for fearless and BS5 to shoot quad gun?
Comparison to 1st list
8 less oblitz meaning 8 less lc and plasma cannons
2x4 spawns to tie up 2 groups
12 ac to shoot 24 times into 4+ armor, Tough MC, av 12, and fliers
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2015/06/13 05:17:41
Subject: [1850] - CSM - Just checking power creep.
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Hellacious Havoc
Kansas, USA
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Now it's looking a little more balanced. with 12 AC on the field, you can really hurt some things. Lords would be a good call for the fearless on the cultists, 2 ADLs with quad gun are also quite scary when you also factor in the autocannons. something else to consider is giving the havocs some rhinos with havoc launchers to sit behind the aegis defense lines to add some more pie plates What other models do you have at your disposal, Heldrakes? Maulerfiends?
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"Because we couldn't be trusted. The Emperor needed a weapon that would never obey its own desires before those of the Imperium. He needed a weapon that would never bite the hand that feeds. The World Eaters were not that weapon. We've all drawn blades purely for the sake of shedding blood, and we've all felt the exultation of winning a war that never even needed to happen. We are not the tame, reliable pets that the Emperor wanted. The Wolves obey, when we would not. The Wolves can be trusted, when we never could. They have discipline we lack, because their passions are not aflame with the Butcher's Nails buzzing in the back of their skulls.
The Wolves will always come to the heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves wolves. They are tame, collared by the Emperor, obeying his every whim. But a wolf doesn't behave that way. Only a dog does.
That is why we are the Eaters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer."
- Eighth Captain Khârn |
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2015/06/13 05:26:36
Subject: [1850] - CSM - Just checking power creep.
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh
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This is just a thought exercise at the moment. But I do have 9 termi I can proxy or even convert to oblitz. I have scratch built 12 autocannon havocs. No cultits.
I have a scratch built adl from a toy soldier army base. I have no quad guns but i think I can scratch build it. I have no spawns but can scratch build them.
I am not sure how to scratch build heldrakes and fiends. Can anyone share a video link? Any body know where i can buy toy soldiers the size of imperial guardsmen so i can convert into imperial guards? I have found army men too big and too small. Never found them just right and for dirt cheap.
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2015/06/13 06:35:09
Subject: Re:[1850] - CSM - Just checking power creep.
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Hellacious Havoc
Kansas, USA
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Cultist are pretty cheap if you just buy them by the bucket via eBay. Realistically you wont need more than 50 for anything unless your going the zombie horde route with typhus.
List wise, this is how I would run it.
CAD 1
HQ
Sorcerer, AoDG, BP+FW - 75pts
TROOPS
10xCultists, Champion w/ AP+CCW - 50pts
10xCultists, Champion w/ AP+CCW - 50pts
FAST ATTACK
1xChaos Spawn, MoN - 36pts
1xChaos Spawn, MoN - 36pts
1xChaos Spawn, MoN - 36pts
HEAVY SUPPORT
3xObliterators, MoN - 228pts
3xObliterators, MoN - 228pts
2xObliterators, MoN - 152pts
FORTIFICATIONS
ADL, QG - 100pts
CAD 2
HQ
Chaos Lord, BP+CCW - 65pts
TROOPS
10xCultists, Champion w/ AP+CCW - 50pts
10xCultists, Champion w/ AP+CCW - 50pts
FAST ATTACK
1xChaos Spawn, MoN - 36pts
1xChaos Spawn, MoN - 36pts
1xChaos Spawn, MoN - 36pts
HEAVY SUPPORT
5xHavocs, 4 AC, Champion w/CCW+BP, Rhino w/ HL - 162pts
5xHavocs, 4 AC, Champion w/CCW+BP, Rhino w/ HL - 162pts
5xHavocs, 4 AC, Champion w/CCW+BP, Rhino w/ HL - 162pts
FORTIFICATIONS
ADL, QG - 100pts
TOTAL 1850
Basically park havocs with their rhinos behind ADLs. The rhinos get a cover save plus dropping 2 TL pinning blasts each. Oblits do what oblits do, either DS behind enemy armor and MM away or park them in ruins and nuke everything from a distance. I'd reserve the cultists and walk them in on objectives. Spawn are just there to distract and tie up anything they can for a turn. I split them up to make opponents have to focus all their firepower on just one spawn opposed to squads. Other than that. Its about as gun line as CSM can get without predators, forge fiends, and the like. You'll get smoked by any other serious gun line army, but it may work if the dice is on your side.
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"Because we couldn't be trusted. The Emperor needed a weapon that would never obey its own desires before those of the Imperium. He needed a weapon that would never bite the hand that feeds. The World Eaters were not that weapon. We've all drawn blades purely for the sake of shedding blood, and we've all felt the exultation of winning a war that never even needed to happen. We are not the tame, reliable pets that the Emperor wanted. The Wolves obey, when we would not. The Wolves can be trusted, when we never could. They have discipline we lack, because their passions are not aflame with the Butcher's Nails buzzing in the back of their skulls.
The Wolves will always come to the heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves wolves. They are tame, collared by the Emperor, obeying his every whim. But a wolf doesn't behave that way. Only a dog does.
That is why we are the Eaters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer."
- Eighth Captain Khârn |
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2015/06/14 04:33:57
Subject: [1850] - CSM - Just checking power creep.
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh
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I like your list but Aodg is waste of points and id rather have 2 melta bombs.
Rhinos only allow 2 shooters so i can only shoot 2 ac. I can disembark but then havocs are vulnerable. I can do rhino peek a boo tactic but then cant shoot hl . A s5 ap5 small tl blast for 47pts is meh. It'l definatly kill a few orks.
but all that said I will run the list like this. because you have a great idea with the single spawns.
Thank you. 
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2015/06/14 05:25:48
Subject: [1850] - CSM - Just checking power creep.
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Hellacious Havoc
Kansas, USA
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From what i understood, you were using the ADL for your havocs. There is also no requirement that your troops must start deployed in their transport. So you can still deploy them against the line, getting all your AC shots, and never have to move the rhinos, so HLs get to be fired too. It also 2 s5 ap5 small tl blasts for 47pts.
In hindsight, I agree with you on AoDG, a better call for the sorcerer would be a spell familiar.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2015/06/14 05:26:20
"Because we couldn't be trusted. The Emperor needed a weapon that would never obey its own desires before those of the Imperium. He needed a weapon that would never bite the hand that feeds. The World Eaters were not that weapon. We've all drawn blades purely for the sake of shedding blood, and we've all felt the exultation of winning a war that never even needed to happen. We are not the tame, reliable pets that the Emperor wanted. The Wolves obey, when we would not. The Wolves can be trusted, when we never could. They have discipline we lack, because their passions are not aflame with the Butcher's Nails buzzing in the back of their skulls.
The Wolves will always come to the heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves wolves. They are tame, collared by the Emperor, obeying his every whim. But a wolf doesn't behave that way. Only a dog does.
That is why we are the Eaters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer."
- Eighth Captain Khârn |
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2015/06/14 13:10:15
Subject: [1850] - CSM - Just checking power creep.
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh
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oh, I was going to use sorc or lord as the gunner fpr the qg. lord has bs5 and can make a cultist squad fearless.
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2015/06/14 21:32:57
Subject: [1850] - CSM - Just checking power creep.
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Hellacious Havoc
Kansas, USA
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Where were you planning on placing the havocs? There should be plenty of room behind one of the ADLs for them in addition to a HQ on the gun.
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"Because we couldn't be trusted. The Emperor needed a weapon that would never obey its own desires before those of the Imperium. He needed a weapon that would never bite the hand that feeds. The World Eaters were not that weapon. We've all drawn blades purely for the sake of shedding blood, and we've all felt the exultation of winning a war that never even needed to happen. We are not the tame, reliable pets that the Emperor wanted. The Wolves obey, when we would not. The Wolves can be trusted, when we never could. They have discipline we lack, because their passions are not aflame with the Butcher's Nails buzzing in the back of their skulls.
The Wolves will always come to the heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves wolves. They are tame, collared by the Emperor, obeying his every whim. But a wolf doesn't behave that way. Only a dog does.
That is why we are the Eaters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer."
- Eighth Captain Khârn |
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