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So thank you to a poster on another thread it harps been pointed out Pedro has taken his armour back to theshop to get fixed. Couple that with his ability to grant +1A now stacking with standards and applies to himself, then suddenly he seems viable as a CC army leader. So II've tried just that with NO STERNGUARD!!!!!

CAD
Pedro: 185
Libby: lvl2: melta bombs 95

Scouts: ccws, vet/power maul; LSS/AssCann 135
Scouts: ccws, vet/power maul; LSS/AssCann 135
Scouts: ccws, vet/power axe; LSS/AssCann 135
Scouts: ccws, vet/power axe; LSS/AssCann 135
Scouts: Shotguns, combimelta; LSS/MM 120

8 Honourguard: 4 mauls, 3 Axes, champ with sword, Standard of Emperor Ascendent 270
Ironclad: HF, CF, Pod 180
Ironclad: HF, CF, Pod 180

Drop Pod 35

Redeemer: MM 250

So the Ironclads are getting EIGHT attacks each if within 12" of Pedro's land raider when they charge. The Scouts squads pump out 26 attacks each unit (plus 9 shots and a large blast). Where as the Honour star pumps out an insane 62 attacks!!!! I went with sword on the Champ as 7 attacks enables him to chew through many things plus it gives me a choice of Ap4-3-2 for challenges in the unit.

Obvious issues are going second against people that can kill AV14 from far away. Solo Land raiders are generally a bad idea.

Strengths are 10 fast moving ObSec units and the shock and awe of a turn 1 MTO with 2 insane Ironclads (with 7 armourbane attack each Knights don't want to charge them) and the basket of death, not to mention all the LSSs...

What do you think? Am I better off just chucking in the LR formation and be done with it?

They look like fun, but it just seems a huge waste to not have a few units of Sternguard around since you're paying for that ObSec rule with Pedro.

I also find that even with a 2+ and FNP, Pedro is vulnerable to fists/hammers as well as missiles and lascannons. It helps for him to have someone to tank for him or wear some blows. The Scout Sgt can be sacrificed, but a Command Squad with Champ and some plasma guns is a suitable alternative for him.

I'm not convinced you're paying for Sternguard ObSec. He's only 185 points for 7 powerfist attacks on the charge. What makes you think he'll be with Scouts? He'll be in the Honourguard with the Libby and Chapter Champ who can each be thrown under the bus for him if necessary. MLs really aren't a threat to Pedro's unit.

Sternguard just don't fit this list at all.

Aye, I missed the HG unit in both lists for some reason. They certainly do love his +1 attack!

Which effects him and stacks with the banner so they are getting 6 attacks each on the charge and everything within 12" gets +2 attacks.

Jeez, those ironclads with 8 attacks each in the charge are pretty scary.

Perhaps consider having a command squad carrying the banner of the emperor ascendant, and the honour guard carry the chapter banner for +3 attacks on the honour guard? Just keep me in a landraider behind, they don't need to fight.

Could do but that gets really expensive fast.


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It also keeps 7 (8) attack Pedro out of the fight...

Well, 150 pts for the banner of the emperor ascendant on a command squad. Have them sit In A raider while the honour guard, Pedro, and the librarian do their thing in melee. Give them bolt pistols and chainswords and let them mop up in melee, or kill chaff.

And since you already have the land raiders...

Yeah 150 points for +1 attack on the Honourguard, so 10 extra attacks or less than 2 extra honourguard worth of attacks for 150 points...

Also means doing something different with a Scout squad as they have to give up their ride. Also I have to find 150 points which means dropping ranged AT which does more for the list than pumping the Honourguard any further. They'll kill anything they touch as is.

Drop the third storm for two honour guard would be the only other suggestion I have, as four is enough to cover all of your scouts. In list two, at least.

And, how is the honour guard 280? 85 to start with, 5*25 is 125, so 210, plus 60 for the banner is 270. Unless sword meant relic blade.

Nope just maths fail. What makes you think the Scouts go in the Storms? Why would I do that in the LR list?

I like the first one, its even kind of fluffy with the Fists being a depleted chapter and all.

I'm just getting back into the tournament scene after about 13 years without doing one.

all the tasty douchey armies i'm seeing is fun.(my group plays very friendly non competiive games)

the only weakness I see is massed anti tank fire. (lose those dreads, and you are in trouble. a Tau or an IG player (sorry im old school I dont do AM) could ruin your day quick, other than that Its probably very competative. Squeaze points for some drop pods? 1 for each dread, and a couple emptys that may or may not have scouts in them? just a thought.

Dreads are in pods with a spare pod so both arrive turn 1.

Anymore?