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I plan on rocking blob guard with air support. 2 vendettas and 1 Valkyrie.

Astra Militarum codex, on combining regiments, wrote:Sometimes two very different regiments are combined with unexpected benefits, as happened with the 182nd Catachan and 90th Elysian, the combined regiment named as the 314th Prosan. Despite an initial clash of cultures, the new regiment became expert in airmobile jungle warfare after being issued Valkyries during the Saikong Justification wars.

The Catachan are partly based on the American troops stationed in Saigon and the rest of the country, so I expect there are a fair few airmobile regiments.

Back when GW offered pdf rules for free on their website there was an article and rules for Steel Eagle, a Catachan HQ Valkyrie. Fluff-wise it was the Catachan 22nd Airborne Assault Group, and they earned such an impressive reputation that the idea was copied with other regiments.

(Needless to say it will probably be a $50 limited-edition download with the next IG codex and will be the most overpowered unit in the history of 40k.)

As quoted above, yes they use it. Shouldn't this be in the background or general section though?

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:
I plan on rocking blob guard with air support. 2 vendettas and 1 Valkyrie.

you bet they do!


all guard armies use pretty much everything in the codex at some point, what you take in a list on the table is but a small fraction of what would be drawn from any home planet.

only the most specialized or decimated regiments would not have a great # of anything in the codex, even then it could be assumed that its easy enough for say the tanith first and only to get some lemen russes from somewhere in the armoury

Peregrine wrote:Back when GW offered pdf rules for free on their website there was an article and rules for Steel Eagle, a Catachan HQ Valkyrie. Fluff-wise it was the Catachan 22nd Airborne Assault Group, and they earned such an impressive reputation that the idea was copied with other regiments.

(Needless to say it will probably be a $50 limited-edition download with the next IG codex and will be the most overpowered unit in the history of 40k.)

Because a Valkyrie with two Vindicare Assassins in place of its door heavy bolters wasn't overpowered enough?

easysauce wrote:
all guard armies use pretty much everything in the codex at some point, what you take in a list on the table is but a small fraction of what would be drawn from any home planet.

only the most specialized or decimated regiments would not have a great # of anything in the codex, even then it could be assumed that its easy enough for say the tanith first and only to get some lemen russes from somewhere in the armoury

Uh, no, but they might be able to borrow them from the tank regiment that is deployed alongside them, along with those tank crews, since the Tanith don't know how to drive tanks.

 easysauce wrote:

only the most specialized or decimated regiments would not have a great # of anything in the codex, even then it could be assumed that its easy enough for say the tanith first and only to get some lemen russes from somewhere in the armoury

Actually, allmost all guard regiments are highly specialised.
You have either light infantry (infantry with no vehicles at all)
Heavy infantry (infantry with carapace armour)
'Standard' infantry (Infantry which can have some transport vehicles)
Mechanised infantry (Infantry where everyone is in a transport)
Drop troops (Infantry that drops from the sky and thus has aircraft of its own and light vehicles)
Armoured (100% tank)
Artillery (100% big guns+crew)
Siege (Artillery regiment with lots of support infantry)

All aircraft are operated by the Imperial Navy, and therefore not part of the Imperial Guard at all (Drop Troop regiments are also technically Imperial Navy, rather than Imperial Guard iirc)
Combined regiments are pretty rare, and only exist where two different decimated regiments are combined. In a normal infantry regiment, you would never see a single tank, cannon or valkyrie. Those are all temporarily attached from other regiments when the mission demands it.

No, the Drop Troops are Guard, but they have permanent Navy attachments. That said, the Harakoni Warhawks have their own ultralights called Grav Gliders that they use to deploy heavy gear such as carapace troops and regular sentinels (as opposed to the Elysians who rarely use carapace armour and only use drop sentinels because of deploying via valkyrie)

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Because a Valkyrie with two Vindicare Assassins in place of its door heavy bolters wasn't overpowered enough?

Read the rules again. The snipers just have normal rifles, not a vindicare's special ammunition. They allocate wounds normally and don't get the vindicare's "I always get to choose" rule (and in 5th edition sniper rifles didn't even get the modern "choose who takes the wound on a 6" rule). They do get a once-per-game STR 10 AP 1 shot, but that's still allocated normally so most of the time it just hits a useless meatshield unless you're using it to kill a vehicle. So no, not even close to getting vindicare assassins for door gunners.

Of course the new version will probably have STR D heavy bolters instead of the snipers, AV 15, and cost 50 points as long as you bring your proof of purchase from the $500 Valkyrie bundle.


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 Iron_Captain wrote:
All aircraft are operated by the Imperial Navy, and therefore not part of the Imperial Guard at all (Drop Troop regiments are also technically Imperial Navy, rather than Imperial Guard iirc)

This is actually wrong. Most aircraft are Imperial Navy, but there are occasional exceptions. Elysians own and operate their own aircraft, the Catachan unit previously mentioned had guardsmen trained as pilots, etc. And drop troop regiments are IG, whether or not they get special permission to have their own aircraft.

 Iron_Captain wrote:

You have either light infantry (infantry with no vehicles at all)

The idea of a modern force without APCs or any form of transportation is pretty funny actually!

 ChazSexington wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:

You have either light infantry (infantry with no vehicles at all)

The idea of a modern force without APCs or any form of transportation is pretty funny actually!

Well the biggest fear the Imperium have is the strength of itself, so an efficient army is unthinkable on almost every level...

 Peregrine wrote:

This is actually wrong. Most aircraft are Imperial Navy, but there are occasional exceptions. Elysians own and operate their own aircraft, the Catachan unit previously mentioned had guardsmen trained as pilots, etc. And drop troop regiments are IG, whether or not they get special permission to have their own aircraft.

Really? I remember them sometimes being 'permenantly attached' or 'gifted in unusual circumstances', but not ever just given wholesale to the regiment.

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 easysauce wrote:

only the most specialized or decimated regiments would not have a great # of anything in the codex, even then it could be assumed that its easy enough for say the tanith first and only to get some lemen russes from somewhere in the armoury

Actually, allmost all guard regiments are highly specialised.
You have either light infantry (infantry with no vehicles at all)
Heavy infantry (infantry with carapace armour)
'Standard' infantry (Infantry which can have some transport vehicles)
Mechanised infantry (Infantry where everyone is in a transport)
Drop troops (Infantry that drops from the sky and thus has aircraft of its own and light vehicles)
Armoured (100% tank)
Artillery (100% big guns+crew)
Siege (Artillery regiment with lots of support infantry)

All aircraft are operated by the Imperial Navy, and therefore not part of the Imperial Guard at all (Drop Troop regiments are also technically Imperial Navy, rather than Imperial Guard iirc)
Combined regiments are pretty rare, and only exist where two different decimated regiments are combined. In a normal infantry regiment, you would never see a single tank, cannon or valkyrie. Those are all temporarily attached from other regiments when the mission demands it.

As with everything else in 40k, there are exceptions. Firstly, while regiments are usually specialised, most recruiting worlds will raise a variety of different regiments (There are canon examples of Catachan armoured regiments, Tallarn armoured, Rough Rider and superheavy regiments, Krieg siege, artillery armoured and superheavy regiments, etc, and the implication that there are many more such). If regiments from the same world ended up in the same warzone, then I would imagine they're quite likely to support each others' operations if necessary. Then there's the Phantine XX Imperial Guard fighter regiment, who operate Thunderbolts despite being Guard not Navy (thanks for that, Mr Abnett )

Then there's regiments combined from the remnants of others which have taken heavy casualties, regiments which have been reinforced in the field, and in extreme cases, units which have been seconded to another force and just been absorbed (perhaps the supporting unit has needed additional personell which have come from the larger force, and over time they've merged, or perhaps a flight of valkyries, a hydra squadron or a platoon of rough riders has been transferred from warzone to warzone with the "parent" unit by mistake).

IA1 1st edition had some Valkyries operated directly by Imperial Guard regiments. I can't remember what the status of the aircraft used by the Elysian Regiments featured in IA3, 8 or 11 was. Detachment D-99 (from IA4) had its own organic aircraft, but that's a unit operated under the auspices of the Inquisition, so it's a special case.

Also, Catachans use loads of Valkyries in Pandorax, OP.

yeah... if you think along the terms of a regiment, or other TABLE SIZED force, its a lot different then what you get off of an ENTIRE PLANET.

thats the main difference, a whole planets guard will have some of everything in the codex for the vast majority of worlds.

smaller break downs of what that planet produces will OBS have specializations as needed, but guard are the brutal hammer of the emperor, usubtle, massed combined arms forces that grind enemies to dust with overwhelming amounts of men/material

Catachans travel exclusively in UH-1 Huey choppers, and are led into battle by Willem Dafoe

Read "pandorax" its a appocolypse based book with the catachan a being the main regiment throughout the book also includes DA and GK fighting Abaddon. But there is a chapter that covers a massive dogfight between the catachan fighter pilots and scores of demonic entities. Can't rememebr the name of the squadron but it could shed some light on the question.

They use them just about as much as any other guard regiments, you'll be perfectly fine running them.

For the most part any guard regiment can come out of training as a specialized regiment. You can easily assume that over the course of the regiments lifetime, with good fortune they didn't just get sent to some "meat grinder" world. That they would have of acquired various assets both by mistakes from logistics, and recovered from the field.

Another enforcement for your fluff is simply they live on a jungle death world. I highly doubt they can maintain roadways efficient enough to move large body of troops easily. So it's a good guess they have a large fleet of Valkyrie's handy.