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Does a model/ unit with a melee weapon have to use it or can they opt to just punch? More specifically if you have a weapon that requies you to attack at I1 could you choose to not use it and just attack at initiative with your unmodified strength and AP?

You're only given a "free" Close Combat Weapon if you have no other weapon of the Melee type in your Wargear. Otherwise you have to use the Melee weapon you have.

Keep in mind though that Pistols count as CCW weapons. If you had a Space Marine with a Power Fist and a Bolt Pistol for example, you could choose to Pile In and Attack at I4 with the Pistol (counting as a CCW), or at I1 with the Power Fist.

And you technically get the bonus attack with the pistol for 2 melee weapons(specialist weapons only deny the bonus for using the specialist weapon, not granting the bonus attack on a non-specialist)

But if you do not have any other melee weapons then you must use the powerfist(gets into the trade-off for having a fist and combi/storm bolter sgt)

I was really curious about the D-Thirster. If you could choose to punch at initiative or swing the D.

I thought infantry could use their ranged weapon as a melee weapon at user strength and ap-.

 ProwlerPC wrote:
I thought infantry could use their ranged weapon as a melee weapon at user strength and ap-.

Only pistols.

 Ond Angel wrote:

 ProwlerPC wrote:
I thought infantry could use their ranged weapon as a melee weapon at user strength and ap-.

Only pistols.

Or if they have no other Melee weapon on them (though, technically, they aren't officially using their ranged weapon, it's just implied as representing a possible butt stroke).

Charistoph wrote:
...it's just implied as representing a possible butt stroke.

Close combat in 40k just got a whole lot saucier.

Bal4eva wrote:
I was really curious about the D-Thirster. If you could choose to punch at initiative or swing the D.

Actually the way the Colossal rule is worded he would swing i1 regardless of if he swings with the D-Axe or not

Bal4eva wrote:
I was really curious about the D-Thirster. If you could choose to punch at initiative or swing the D.

Even if you gave him an axe of khorne he would still attack at i1.

Colossal states that just having the weapon makes you attack at i1, regardless of whether you use it


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 CrownAxe wrote:

Bal4eva wrote:
I was really curious about the D-Thirster. If you could choose to punch at initiative or swing the D.

Actually the way the Colossal rule is worded he would swing i1 regardless of if he swings with the D-Axe or not

How did i see this post lol

Charistoph wrote:

 Ond Angel wrote:

 ProwlerPC wrote:
I thought infantry could use their ranged weapon as a melee weapon at user strength and ap-.

Only pistols.

Or if they have no other Melee weapon on them (though, technically, they aren't officially using their ranged weapon, it's just implied as representing a possible butt stroke).

True, although the way I read it led me to believe he thought that if he had a power fist and storm bolter he could use the storm bolter for at initiative swings.

 Ond Angel wrote:
True, although the way I read it led me to believe he thought that if he had a power fist and storm bolter he could use the storm bolter for at initiative swings.

Other than the fact that the Power Fist is a Melee Weapon...

Just to add some confusion, they changed the wording of colossal in the Knights book so that when you attack with the weapon it affects your initiative, not when equiped

Charistoph wrote:

 Ond Angel wrote:
True, although the way I read it led me to believe he thought that if he had a power fist and storm bolter he could use the storm bolter for at initiative swings.

Other than the fact that the Power Fist is a Melee Weapon...

I know, and I'm not saying it isn't. I'm saying that the way I read Prowler's post led me to believe that he thought he'd be able to do that.

I did thought it could be done that way but this thread cleared it up for me.

" If you could choose to punch at initiative or swing the D. "

Dude... I always swing the D.

It's definitely that you have to swing the power fist if you have no other melee weapons. If you don't have any melee weapons to begin with, such as a guardsmen, you count as having a generic CC weapon. However, if you do have a melee weapon, period, you don't get the free CC weapon. A fist and bolter combination means that you have a melee weapon, the fist, so no free CC weapon. The only ranged weapons that can be used as melee weapons are pistols, not something like a bolter.