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I was hoping this thread might actually contain some intelligent discussion. I got trolled hard. Kudos to those of you who actually posted something useful instead of yelling and fanboying all over the place.

I'm also reminded of just how bad the Necron fluff actually is. All this "blow up all the stars" and "snuff out the warp" stuff is just nonsense. They have no weakness. At least the old codex implied that the cutting off the warp project was a work in process, that actually posed quite a challenge for the C'Tan.

Unfortunately there really aren't enough examples of these races fighting. When Necrons show up in the novels, they are usually quite a lot weaker than the codex makes them out to be. Still terrifying mind you, but not unbeatable.

I like to imagine Orks could at least hold out. Older fluff mentioned that they can survive even on asteroids and wrecked ships, so blowing up all the stars wouldn't actually kill them all. And they can even survive in the warp, one place Necrons and C'Tan have no dominion over. Much as I liked the old Necron fluff, I never really thought of them as invincible. Sure, they are masters of reality. But what happens when the Warp meets reality? Warp wins. So I always thought of warp based races having a chance.

Also, Orks are often shown to be extremely adaptable. We really don't know just how far they could go after prolonged contact with Necrons. There's nothing to suggest Orks could loot Necron tech and use it themselves.

 r_squared wrote:
Guys, this was never going to be an intelligent debate. Consider the subject matter. Two completely imaginary races, with conflicting and nonsensical fluff which has been revised and ret-conned to absurdity. Even pretending that it would be possible to have a rational, intelligent debate is in itself absurd.

Still, it was good fun though.

There has been plenty of intelligent discussion on the fluff on this forum before. Compared to most this thread has been pretty bad.

I blame the Necron fluff. But then, I guess I'm just venting. I actually read the whole thread, and immediately regretted it

 Furyou Miko wrote:
As opposed to Orks who have all their stuff explained by "Magic, but they don't know they're doing it."

To my knowledge this fluff didn't come around until 4th edition.

And I always hated it. The new books make Orks out to be a bunch of psychic idiots that only accomplish anything through brute force, sheer numbers and plain dumb luck.

But they weren't always like that. The old Rogue Trader Ork books (there were three) painted a rather different picture. They were a successful, space faring race that survived through its pragmatism and resilience. Their tech worked because it worked(though not always well). Mekboys were competent enough to build working devices, even if they didn't fully understand them. The knowledge was coded in their DNA, which might not make much sense, but its miles better than "it works because they believe it works."

They weren't just "all fighting, all the time." The had civilizations, culture, religion. They had an insatiable wanderlust, a desire to explore that led them to spread out across the galaxy. These were important aspects of Ork fluff that have been reduced to footnotes. Now they are little more than wild beasts.

I didn't get into the game until around 2008. When I first read Waaargh: Da Orks, I was taken aback by how much more interesting and detailed it was.

Well now I'm rambling, but basically yes, Ork fluff has changed, for the worse IMO. But its still has more going for it than the "we always win" Necrons.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Hey r_squared, wanna see a video of me solo-killing 1,000 Orks in Space Marine? =)))))))))))))))))))))))))

No but seriously, is this what the argument has devolved into?

'Necrons lose because their fluff is worse'?

'Necrons lose because they recently got a big faction overhaul'?

'Necrons lose because waaagh da orks waaagh'?

No what I'm saying is that Necrons win because their fluff is worse.