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Hey All,

I played around with this list and it seems to work well. Not sure if the small man lychguard is worth it however or to take 11 flayed ones and put the overlord with the immortals instead. Let me know what you think dakka!

1847/1850
Decurion
Reclamation
Overlord w/ Phaseshifter, phylactery, warscythe, veil of darkness
5 Lychguard w/ sword and sheilds (Walk on turn 1 and deepstrike in backfield with HQ)
10 Immortals w/ Gauss and Nightscythe
10 Warriors w/ Ark
10 Warriors w/ Ark
6 tomb blades w/ gauss, scopes, shields
6 tomb blades w/ gauss, scopes, shields
2 Canoptek Harvests
3 Scarabs each
1 Spyder w/ Gloom Prism each
3 Wraiths w/ Whip coils each.

I think this could be a good overall list for a tournament.

I say you take the Flayed Ones, and this is why:

You have two units of Wraiths, these are high survivability high mobility units with a relatively small amount of high damage output. This makes Wraiths vulnerable to tarpits.

Flayed Ones have a lot of damage output at a lower strength. This makes them horde killers.

If you take both, then there is no unit short of a Gargant/superheavy that you can't stop.


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Plus this frees up your Overlord to put his re-roll 1s RP bubble to your immortals which will need it because the Scythe will put them ahead of your army potentially.

Agreed with the reasoning above but not the outcome. I say stick to the Lychguard they have the damage output and use the Wraiths to hold units in place for them.

Though I don't like a Lychstar without a solar staff. But points seem to tight to fit in a court without radically changing the list.

I would suggest AA

You might swap one of the Arks for a Cresent.

I like Guard with 3++ shields and think they are so hard they are more than worth the points.

That overlord with the veil and min squad of lychgaurd...damn dude that is a ballsy place for your warlord turn 1. I mean just i'm blown away.

I would drop the lychgaurd and all the toys from the warlord, except his warsythe maybe and either stick him with the immortals or with a unit of foot slogging warriors gained from dropping the lychgaurd. The 20 man warrirors with 2 ghost archs is just so beastly tanky its rediculous.

Well here was my other thought

Decurion
Reclamation
Overlord w/ phase, phylact, res orb, voidreaper
10 immortals w/ nightscythe and overlord
10 Warr w/ ark
10 warr w/ ark
2 groups of 6 tomb blades with shield, nebulo, gauss
2 Canoptek Harvests (same as above)
11 Flayed ones

I forgot the tomb blades on the first list. 12 in all. 2 groups of 6

Voidreaper because we all know, he will be charged.

ATC/ETC formats are all about balancing the team out for different matchups. Necrons lend themselves to defense. I don't just mean as an army, I mean as a role in your team. So, you could be the "Push." Meaning, you are the player your team pushes out first for the opposing team to choose your opponent. Your role will be to give up as few battle points as possible.

With that being said, I would build your list around this concept. The mission pack this year is very friendly to a defensive army as well. I'd build something like this:

Decurion

Warlord: Barge, Warscythe

5x Immortals

20x Warriors: Ark
19x Warriors: Ark

5x Tomb Blades: Vanes, Scopes, Gauss
5x Tomb Blades: Vanes, Scopes, Gauss

5x Flayed Ones
5x Flayed Ones
5x Flayed Ones

Canoptek Harvest

1x Spyder (ATC has ruled 1 Spyder Only per Harvest)
3x Wraiths: Coils
3x Scarabs

Canoptek Harvest

1x Spyder
3x Wraiths: Coils
3x Scarabs

Total: 1850

The whole point of this list is to mob objectives with resilient troops, with a lot of screeners to protect said mobs. You don't actually need to kill very much; your goal isn't even to necessarily win games, although that would be a coup, but rather to lose them as narrowly as possible or draw. Remember, in the defender role, you'll be playing three of the worst match-ups you can imagine. But this army, given the ATC packet, shouldn't cede points easily.

 The Shrike wrote:
ATC/ETC formats are all about balancing the team out for different matchups. Necrons lend themselves to defense. I don't just mean as an army, I mean as a role in your team. So, you could be the "Push." Meaning, you are the player your team pushes out first for the opposing team to choose your opponent. Your role will be to give up as few battle points as possible.

With that being said, I would build your list around this concept. The mission pack this year is very friendly to a defensive army as well. I'd build something like this:

Decurion

Warlord: Barge, Warscythe

5x Immortals

20x Warriors: Ark
19x Warriors: Ark

5x Tomb Blades: Vanes, Scopes, Gauss
5x Tomb Blades: Vanes, Scopes, Gauss

5x Flayed Ones
5x Flayed Ones
5x Flayed Ones

Canoptek Harvest

1x Spyder (ATC has ruled 1 Spyder Only per Harvest)
3x Wraiths: Coils
3x Scarabs

Canoptek Harvest

1x Spyder
3x Wraiths: Coils
3x Scarabs

Total: 1850

The whole point of this list is to mob objectives with resilient troops, with a lot of screeners to protect said mobs. You don't actually need to kill very much; your goal isn't even to necessarily win games, although that would be a coup, but rather to lose them as narrowly as possible or draw. Remember, in the defender role, you'll be playing three of the worst match-ups you can imagine. But this army, given the ATC packet, shouldn't cede points easily.

Why no flyer and why a barge? I didn't think it was worth it now?

1) You don't need fliers, you just ignore them. There isn't a flier in the game that can really cause you worry.

2) The barge isn't as good as it once was, but it is still good. Of course with this type of list, you could save the points and just give him a resorb to run with the phalanx and get more tomb blades.

I quite like the cheap Bargelord. Still a pain to deal with by shooting and can still kill the soft targets in assault tgat it always needed to go after. Works well supporting NSU Harvests.

However I disagree there isn't a flyer in the game that causes you an issue. The Crimson hunter can really hurt the vehicles whilst the Wraithfighter causes you a massive issue through Psychic powers and D Weapons.

Eh, Can't all his Gaussfire take it down? I mean so many warriors snap shooting; or heck, even tomb blades aren't bad seeing as they ignore jink.

People talk about Overlord giving rerolls on 1s of RP. Where does this come from?

bdunlap03 wrote:
People talk about Overlord giving rerolls on 1s of RP. Where does this come from?

The formation rules for the "reclamation legion" part of the decurion

jakejackjake wrote:

bdunlap03 wrote:
People talk about Overlord giving rerolls on 1s of RP. Where does this come from?

The formation rules for the "reclamation legion" part of the decurion

No s@!t? Well I have been NOT doing that =/

You honestly think flayed ones are worth it now these days? Would you infiltrate them or deepstrike?

My Flayed ones ALWAYS got at least their points back. Here are two ways to use them:

1) send them after non-elite CC troops (i.e something with either Str 7 or lower or AP4 or higher, so you will at least get one 4+ save) because their 4 attacks and shred will do the damage. Or send them after rear armor 10 vehicles, Shred won't work, but a lot of Str4 will. For this you can outflank, deepstrike or infiltrate to taste.

2) bait out your enemy's CC units. Infiltrate them in front of whatever CC unit you think they can stand up to (same as above). They will probably charge you and the Flayed Ones will either eat them up or hold them there by their 4+ sv and 4+ reanimate. For this obviously infiltration is the way to go.

I've used them to murder 3+ eldar vehicles in one game and two units of Dire Avengers using #1 and to turn a full-size unit of Dark Eldar beasts on its heels using #2.

So with all of the comments here is an updated list:

Overlord w/ Void, phase shifter, phylactery
10 Immortals w/ Gauss and Nightscythe (Overlord here and I feel that having at least 1 flyer is beneficial)
5 tomb blades w/ gauss, shields, scopes
5 tomb blades w/ gauss, shields, scopes
10 warriors w/ ark
10 warriors w/ ark
2 Canoptek Harvests each with:
1 Spyder w/gloom
3 scarabs
3 wraiths w/ coils
3 units of 5 Flayed Ones

This list puts me at 1833/1850. Not sure where to put those last points however.

You could get fabricator claws for the spyders or drop an immortal for the 2+ for the overlord. Not the most effecient points ever. I would definately make at least one of the tomb blades squads particle beamers, maybe both.

It's not fliers you have to worry about the most. It's trying to claim objectives against the new marines or eldar lists

jakejackjake wrote:
It's not fliers you have to worry about the most. It's trying to claim objectives against the new marines or eldar lists

Yea this. over the course of a game, you're likely to see any given flyer get about 3 shooting phases, and probably 2 of those are really going to be "good" shooting phases for it with multiple targets (if able) or high priority targets. Focusing on objectives and relying only on gauss volume fire for anti-air is probably the smartest route.

Yup, which brings me back to my list suggestion. Consult with the rest of your team. You have to design your tournament strategy holistically or you will get rickrolled.

Which brings me back to Eldar who's flyers can fairly reliably get 4-5 good turns of shooting in...

Epartalis wrote:
You could get fabricator claws for the spyders or drop an immortal for the 2+ for the overlord. Not the most effecient points ever. I would definately make at least one of the tomb blades squads particle beamers, maybe both.

Problem with that is, my tomb blades are all modeled as Gauss. WYSIWYG only for this tournament sadly.

I could do the fabs. That was an idea. I just think the Str 7 twin-linked tesla destructors are well worth taking.

 FlingitNow wrote:
Which brings me back to Eldar who's flyers can fairly reliably get 4-5 good turns of shooting in...

One army that generally doesn't bring a ton of fliers


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The only thing with tesla destructors is the night scythe and it most certainly is not worth 130 pts

Is gauntlet of fire any good to have on an Overlord?

 FlingitNow wrote:
Which brings me back to Eldar who's flyers can fairly reliably get 4-5 good turns of shooting in...

At ATC, armies with fliers are likely to be armies who can ONLY do that well, like Tyranids. Teams can only use each faction once. Just my opinion, but I'd guess most will use Eldar in a pure attack mode; probably with a gunline, though I wouldn't rule out lists built around a jetseer council.

Could a team use their Eldar slot to spam Vector Dancer fliers? Sure. I just don't see that as likely.

Necrons can be so good at that defender role. Even within that role, you could go either way, full Decurion MSU or the more condensed block phalanx style. For this packet, I would lean towards the latter, again, with many screening units.

That makes sense, though I'd would exactly run EldAIR in such a format because it is not the obvious play and wins the mirror match and ponies all the armies who deal with flyers by ignoring them. However I can see what you're saying about the percentage play.

So in that case, if barely anyone has flyers then wouldn't bringing at least one provide good fire from the skies. They could then only hit it on a 6 since ATC will not be using mysterious objectives.

People WILL bring fliers Bdunlap03, LOTS of them. I said I didn't anticipate Eldar lists bringing them.

The way pairings work Bdunlap03, is you are either going to be pushed out and the opposing team will match you with the player they believe has the best chance of achieving a MAX score against you; or, your team matches you with the player the opposing team pushes attempting to do the same thing.

This is not normal 40k listhammer. Having a single flier is not going to do anything for you. You're not trying to build a TAC list here, or shouldn't be. Your TEAM needs to have a variety of tools in its tool kit, not 5 swiss army knives.

What FlingItNow is saying could work, but again, he understands that you need to go all the way, i.e. Air Force. However, then you would be taking on the role of an attacker (someone your team gets to match with someone else). That is not a role Necrons are well suited to. And since each team can only use each faction once, you would be doing your team a disservice by not optimizing a Defense role.

Clear as mud?

Yeah everything Shrike says is spot on. I was mentioning Eldar because initially I didn't realise it was a team event (reading fail on my part) and then as a cautionary note to ensure you know what could be there and are aware of how to deal with that. A single flyer is not going to make a difference as The Shrike mentions you need a full AA list or to not bother.

 FlingitNow wrote:
Yeah everything Shrike says is spot on. I was mentioning Eldar because initially I didn't realise it was a team event (reading fail on my part) and then as a cautionary note to ensure you know what could be there and are aware of how to deal with that. A single flyer is not going to make a difference as The Shrike mentions you need a full AA list or to not bother.

You both make sense. I guess I was using the flyers to get the immortals and lord up faster instead of foot slogging them all. If that is removed, what should be added? 3 more tomb blades?


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Updated again:

CCB lord w/ Gauss, Nightmare, Warscythe, gauntlet, phase, phylactery
10 Immortals w/ Gauss
6 tomb blades w/ gauss, shields, scopes
6 tomb blades w/ gauss, shields, scopes
10 warriors w/ ark
10 warriors w/ ark
2 Canoptek Harvests each with:
1 Spyder w/gloom & fab claw
3 scarabs
3 wraiths w/ coils
3 units of 5 Flayed Ones

Just a slight change