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2015/06/26 15:59:15
Subject: New DA, black knights, command squads
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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I'm sure most of you interested in them have found some leak or another regarding the new DA, or a few already have your codex. From what it looks like, using any of the formations or detachments won't allow you to take ravenwing black knights or command squads, outside of the ravenwing one or a classic CAD? Am I reading this right?
The demi-company only lists ravenwing bike squads as an option, not black knights, and there's no mention of the command squad either. The entry for command squad no longer says anything about being allowed to run them if you have a bike HQ, too.
So is it then that I can't run any of the formations if I want black knights, and that the only way to access them is a ravenwing strike force?
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2015/06/26 17:21:54
Subject: Re:New DA, black knights, command squads
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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Give it a few days as GW gets bombarded with questions about this and what the other two+ Ravenwing HQ options are supposed to be, as you can have up to three in a Ravenwing Strike force but the only two options are Samael on Corvex and Sableclaw (also Samael, and thus exclusionary)
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2015/06/26 17:25:50
Subject: Re:New DA, black knights, command squads
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Mutilatin' Mad Dok
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Hard to say for certain without actually having the full codex out yet. Best to wait and see.
From what is known, there aren't any black knight formations.
Command squads are an elites choice now, no free slots.
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2015/06/26 19:07:29
Subject: New DA, black knights, command squads
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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RWSF allows up to 10 BK squads and 1 command squad. That or a CAD. I don't feel that it's the restricting on us. The only drawback is you can't get them in the lion's blade, but that's not a big deal to me, personally.
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++ Heed my words for I am the Herald and we are the footsteps of doom. Interlopers, do we name you. Defilers of our
sacred earth. We have awoken to your primative species and will not tolerate your presence. Ours is the way of logic,
of cold hard reason: your irrationality, your human disease has no place in the necrontyr. Flesh is weak.
Surrender to the machine incarnate. Surrender and die. ++
Tuagh wrote: If you won't use a wrench, it isn't the bolt's fault that your hammer is useless.
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2015/06/27 09:36:03
Subject: New DA, black knights, command squads
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Yes Black Knights aren't in the Lion's blade detachment. No that has no baring on whether you can use a Lion's blade and black knights in the same army or indeed any of the other formations along side Black Knights.
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2015/06/27 16:48:45
Subject: New DA, black knights, command squads
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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Well, got my copy of the codex, and now it turns out we can only run the RWSF if we have Sammael, as he's the only HQ with the Ravenwing special rule... looks like I'll be using CAD instead of the new formations...
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2015/06/27 16:56:30
Subject: New DA, black knights, command squads
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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The Rave wing/Sammael thing was true last codex however there are 3 HQ slots available to the RW Strike Force so it seems likely that you're supposed to be able to take any character on a bike in the detachment.
Also if you're not using the new formations and detachments you're going to have a weaker army. The choice is of course yours.
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2015/06/27 18:19:07
Subject: New DA, black knights, command squads
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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Yeah, you're probably "supposed to" be able to take a biker librarian as your HQ, but in terms of RAW Sammael is the only one allowed, as the other bike HQs don't have the Ravenwing special rule.
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2015/06/27 18:44:55
Subject: New DA, black knights, command squads
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Yes RaW is frequently wrong. No one plays pure RaW though do they?
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2015/06/27 20:20:36
Subject: New DA, black knights, command squads
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Rai is so obvious here it hurts, so raw has no place.
However it being a raw forum, it's currently not supported by the rules.
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2015/06/27 20:43:26
Subject: New DA, black knights, command squads
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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I already had a player tell me they wouldn't let me play the strike force without Sammy sooooo....
Yeah, he's that guy, but still.
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2015/06/27 21:49:43
Subject: New DA, black knights, command squads
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Fixture of Dakka
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He's coming from a place within the rules, don't hold it against him.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life. |
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2015/06/27 21:51:01
Subject: New DA, black knights, command squads
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I wouldn't play anyone with that attitude when it's so clear what RAI is. That's said, just proxy a regular bike for Sammy.
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2015/06/27 22:17:40
Subject: New DA, black knights, command squads
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Fixture of Dakka
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 kingbobbito wrote:I already had a player tell me they wouldn't let me play the strike force without Sammy sooooo....
Yeah, he's that guy, but still.
So, don't play him.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong". |
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2015/06/27 22:36:30
Subject: New DA, black knights, command squads
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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kingbobbito wrote:I already had a player tell me they wouldn't let me play the strike force without Sammy sooooo....
Yeah, he's that guy, but still.
What army does he play?
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2015/06/28 15:33:44
Subject: New DA, black knights, command squads
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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 FlingitNow wrote: kingbobbito wrote:I already had a player tell me they wouldn't let me play the strike force without Sammy sooooo....
Yeah, he's that guy, but still.
What army does he play?
Dark Angels 
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2015/06/28 15:46:16
Subject: New DA, black knights, command squads
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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What does he take in it? Because there's always silly RaW that breaks the game no matter what army you take.
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