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I'm at work right now so I don't have access to my BrB but I'm curious on this ruling.

If your field Azreal and you're facing an opponent that has Deathleeper, can the opponent debuff the entire DA army by lowering the leadership of Azreal by D3. Furthermore, does stubborn have any effect on this?

 Inkubas wrote:
I'm at work right now so I don't have access to my BrB but I'm curious on this ruling.

If your field Azreal and you're facing an opponent that has Deathleeper, can the opponent debuff the entire DA army by lowering the leadership of Azreal by D3. Furthermore, does stubborn have any effect on this?

If that's what the Deathleaper does, yes.
But Stubborn makes you count-as Ld10 for (correct me if necessary) morale checks (from shooting, combat, etc).

Stubborn would come in as a set modifier, as per multiple modifiers.

Stubborn makes you immune to LD modifiers from combat results. It has no impact on Death Leapers rule. As for Azrael's rule it is optional. So you'd debuff him and any units that had a higher LD than his debuffed value would ignore it and any units with lower would still choose to use Azrael's LD.

Wait, it's no longer mandatory to use Azrael's Leadership?

Nope now it is a "can use" clause

 FlingitNow wrote:
Stubborn makes you immune to LD modifiers from combat results. It has no impact on Death Leapers rule. As for Azrael's rule it is optional. So you'd debuff him and any units that had a higher LD than his debuffed value would ignore it and any units with lower would still choose to use Azrael's LD.

Stubborn has nothing to do with combat results

Has it changed from 6th? What does stubborn say now am away from my rulebook (moving so it's in the bottom of some box).

In seventh Stubborn ignores all negative modifiers, but only when taking Morale and Pinning tests.

The modifier applies to Azrael. After that, units may still use his leadership if they choose, but I don't think a Stubborn unit could use his unmodified Ld (the modifier applies to him, not them).

Cheers missed that change.

CrownAxe wrote:Stubborn has nothing to do with combat results

Jimsolo wrote:In seventh Stubborn ignores all negative modifiers, but only when taking Morale and Pinning tests.

A little misleading.

Stubborn allows you to ignore the Combat Results that would reduce the unit's Leadership when making the Morale Check. It doesn't prevent the Morale Check, though.

Charistoph wrote:

CrownAxe wrote:Stubborn has nothing to do with combat results

Jimsolo wrote:In seventh Stubborn ignores all negative modifiers, but only when taking Morale and Pinning tests.

A little misleading.

Stubborn allows you to ignore the Combat Results that would reduce the unit's Leadership when making the Morale Check. It doesn't prevent the Morale Check, though.

How was what I said misleading?

Oh sweet one more question for the nid players here. Can a flying hive tyrant shoot with two twin-linked brain leech devourer and then fire electroshock grubs? The rules seemnto say that MC can fire only two weapons but I have a friend that states that the two brain leech are one weapon and the grubs are another.

Nope, he's cheating you. Each devourer is a separate weapon and the tyranid codex says the grubs are a "ranged weapon" as well. Just because you take two of the same thing doesn't mean it counts as a single choice. I would also make sure he's paying for the second devourer.

Thanks for the info. I don't think that he is cheating as much as he gets confused and interprets things oddly. I've corrected him on blast templates ignoring cover, pinning bikes, fear tests on space marines, allocating wounds to models not in LOS, ignoring wounds in the wound pool, etc.

I would explain it to him by using a wraith lord as an example. It can take a couple of bright lances as well as 2 flamers. Thats 4 weapons. Just because they are paired doesn't mean he can fire all 4 in a single turn.

 Jimsolo wrote:

Charistoph wrote:

CrownAxe wrote:Stubborn has nothing to do with combat results

Jimsolo wrote:In seventh Stubborn ignores all negative modifiers, but only when taking Morale and Pinning tests.

A little misleading.

Stubborn allows you to ignore the Combat Results that would reduce the unit's Leadership when making the Morale Check. It doesn't prevent the Morale Check, though.

How was what I said misleading?

It was the combination that was correct, just making sure that it was clear for those following at home.

 Inkubas wrote:
Oh sweet one more question for the nid players here. Can a flying hive tyrant shoot with two twin-linked brain leech devourer and then fire electroshock grubs? The rules seemnto say that MC can fire only two weapons but I have a friend that states that the two brain leech are one weapon and the grubs are another.

It is possible (though unlikely due to how you worded it) he has old codex syndrome. In the previous codex, E. Grubs could be used even if an MC fired two weapons.