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So I played a game against a necron player over the weekend. It was fun, especially since it has been a few months since me last game, and my opponent was friendly. We had a good game.

That being said, I'm pretty sure my opponent got some things wrong with his army. Basically, I'm not saying he "cheated" so much as made mistakes. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, I need some help as I'm not very familiar with all the necron rules.

What he had.
Decurian
named lord, I can't remember the name but he had the ability to get special rules from enemies within 12 inches.
5 immortals in a flyer transport
20 warrior squad
10 warrior squad
5 tomb blades

Detachment (canoptek I think)
Spyder
5 wraiths with whip coils
5 scarab bases

Now a couple of questions. His whole army really gets rerollable 4+ reanimation protocols? I thought it was only rerolls of 1 within 12 inches of his warlord. What does the spyder do exactly. Other people passing by our game mentioned to kill it, but it made no difference once I did. What are the actual special rules given by the formation and the detachment?

Basically I plan on talking to him about it. Unless I am completely wrong and he played it right. I'm not going to be rude about it, just kinda talk to him 1 on 1 to the side and mention that I thought something was a bit off and checked. Like I said he was a fun and friendly opponent.

What do you think?

Also a side note it was 1500 points limit. Incase I'm missing something and you're wondering if he had room for some piece of war gear of awesome I'm forgetting.

Sounds like he played it right.

The Decurion adds +1 to all reanimation rolls. The core detachment give re-rolls of 1 to reanimation to units within 12 inches of the warlord but keep in mind this only applies to units in that detachment so the wraiths, scarabs, and spyder do not gain that benefit. The canoptek formation all gain a special rule of choice if they are within 12 inches of the spyder which is usually reanimation but may also choose shred or fleet.

There isn't much of a counter to the Decurion in a casual pick up game setting.

 Kiggler wrote:
Sounds like he played it right.

The Decurion adds +1 to all reanimation rolls. The core detachment give re-rolls of 1 to reanimation to units within 12 inches of the warlord but keep in mind this only applies to units in that detachment so the wraiths, scarabs, and spyder do not gain that benefit. The canoptek formation all gain a special rule of choice if they are within 12 inches of the spyder which is usually reanimation but may also choose shred or fleet.

There isn't much of a counter to the Decurion in a casual pick up game setting.

A good counter is to not play that person

 pwntallica wrote:
So I played a game against a necron player over the weekend. It was fun, especially since it has been a few months since me last game, and my opponent was friendly. We had a good game.

That being said, I'm pretty sure my opponent got some things wrong with his army. Basically, I'm not saying he "cheated" so much as made mistakes. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, I need some help as I'm not very familiar with all the necron rules.

What he had.
Decurian
named lord, I can't remember the name but he had the ability to get special rules from enemies within 12 inches.
5 immortals in a flyer transport
20 warrior squad
10 warrior squad
5 tomb blades

Detachment (canoptek I think)
Spyder
5 wraiths with whip coils
5 scarab bases

Now a couple of questions. His whole army really gets rerollable 4+ reanimation protocols? I thought it was only rerolls of 1 within 12 inches of his warlord. What does the spyder do exactly. Other people passing by our game mentioned to kill it, but it made no difference once I did. What are the actual special rules given by the formation and the detachment?

Basically I plan on talking to him about it. Unless I am completely wrong and he played it right. I'm not going to be rude about it, just kinda talk to him 1 on 1 to the side and mention that I thought something was a bit off and checked. Like I said he was a fun and friendly opponent.

What do you think?

Also a side note it was 1500 points limit. Incase I'm missing something and you're wondering if he had room for some piece of war gear of awesome I'm forgetting.

Basicly, he made 2 mistakes:
1) it isn't re-rollable 4+ RP, but re-rolling 1's within 12" of the warlord as you said. Pretty significant buff if you ask me.
2) His wraiths only gain RP when they start their turn within 12" of the Spyder, once you kill the spyder, he won't be able to give the Wraiths (and scarabs) RP.

How to bring this to him? Ask him to show you where it says that he gets a 4+ re-rollable RP, because "you've heard people tell otherwise". Same deal with the Spyder.
He can be a dick about it but that just gives you more incentive not to play against that person anymore.

I feel conflicted about the Necron Decurion. On one hand, it's just very hard to deal with if you bring a sub-par list. On the other hand, if you tell people "Hey I'm bringing a decurion" they'll probably just tailor their list and blast it apart unless you bring wraithspam.

My mistake I misread the re-rolls of 4+ which is should just be re-rolls of 1's only.

DaPino wrote:
I feel conflicted about the Necron Decurion. On one hand, it's just very hard to deal with if you bring a sub-par list. On the other hand, if you tell people "Hey I'm bringing a decurion" they'll probably just tailor their list and blast it apart unless you bring wraithspam.

To me it is the kind of list your want to warn your opponent about before hand. It is not much different then fielding a imperial knight list against someone who isn't prepared and now makes a good chunk of their list useless.

So yeah. He was rerolling ALL failed RP. Not just within 12" of the Lord, not just the 1s, and he was also doing it on the spyder, wraiths and scarabs. Also the wraiths and scarabs had rerollable RP and shred and fleet the whole game, even after the spyder died.

Also since the Decurian is what let's the Lord do rerolls of 1, and thus it doesn't apply to the other detachment, does that mean the +1 to RP from the Decurian also doesn't apply to the other detachment?

I just want to reiterate that he isn't TFG. He was a fun guy to play with and friendly too. I am going to speak to him and just mention "hey remember our game. We'll I was thinking about these things, can you show me how they work in the book" or something equally not hostile. I really didn't get any impression or reason to belive doing this will be a problem, and I expect an "oh sorry" (genuinly) response.

Also in response to Decurian being bad, it didn't really hamper my enjoyment. I was playing my 1 hour old DA codex, just a regular CAD as it was a highlander game. I did bring a 6 strong rwcs, which is probably the main reason the game ended up being so close. If we had the rules right, I would have probably won even. But I was there for fun, so win or lose we still had a good time.

 pwntallica wrote:
does that mean the +1 to RP from the Decurian also doesn't apply to the other detachment?

Yes.

Honestly a few of these were thing that I mixed up reading the codex over quickly after the fact. Big thing was the rerollable all instead of 1s, and the fact it only worked in 12 inches. I'll talk to him next time I see him

You can take the canoptek harvest formation as part of the decurion. The requirements for the decurion are, as a minimum, one reclamation legion. You can then add auxiliary or command choices.

The first detachment you list is actually a reclamation legion (formation). This grants re-rolls of '1' on RP rolls when within 12" of the overlord of that formation.

Ask to see the codex. In fact, you should insist on your opponents having their codexes to hand (and you should have yours too) for every game you play.

zerosignal wrote:
You can take the canoptek harvest formation as part of the decurion. The requirements for the decurion are, as a minimum, one reclamation legion. You can then add auxiliary or command choices.

The first detachment you list is actually a reclamation legion (formation). This grants re-rolls of '1' on RP rolls when within 12" of the overlord of that formation.

Ask to see the codex. In fact, you should insist on your opponents having their codexes to hand (and you should have yours too) for every game you play.

We do have our codex and list ready when we play. The game was a bit delayed and we were trying to hurry to get stuff started. We went over each others lists, he was good about answering my questions before we played and as we played. The problem is I didn't really have time to sit down, read, and learn all the stuff his list could do on the spot. This is why I am looking back on it and evaluating. The main problem is that I hadn't had a chance to play since the new necron codex came out. I was playing an escalation league as the codex came out, but after that life happened and I took a mini hiatus. The point of this thread was to help get a better base of what I am looking for and how this stuff actually works.

This is also part of the reason this thread is posted in a less aggressive manner than "OMFG this guy cheated me, help me count all the ways!!". I think most of this was just a combination of it being a newer army for him, misunderstanding/reading, and sloppy haste. The reason I'm not really upset is because my opponent was a good guy, so I still had a lot of fun. I just like to learn from my mistakes while I'm at it.

 Kiggler wrote:
My mistake I misread the re-rolls of 4+ which is should just be re-rolls of 1's only.

DaPino wrote:
I feel conflicted about the Necron Decurion. On one hand, it's just very hard to deal with if you bring a sub-par list. On the other hand, if you tell people "Hey I'm bringing a decurion" they'll probably just tailor their list and blast it apart unless you bring wraithspam.

To me it is the kind of list your want to warn your opponent about before hand. It is not much different then fielding a imperial knight list against someone who isn't prepared and now makes a good chunk of their list useless.

But really, shouldn't you be able to deal with a knight? If you can't deal with 6 hull points, AV13, maybe YOU should inform your opponent that you're bringing a list not capable of dealing with any deceny vehicle. I doubt you could bring down 2 leman russ' if you can't bring down a knight.

And again, if I tell someone "hey, I'm bringing a decurion", they'll probably just tailor their list to beat mine.

 Purifier wrote:

 pwntallica wrote:
does that mean the +1 to RP from the Decurian also doesn't apply to the other detachment?

Yes.

That's not true. The re-rolling1's is a special rule given by the Reclamation army, which is a required formation within a decurion detachment. The 1+ to RP is given by the decurion detachment and works for all parts of the detachment.