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I'll just say simply as this, OP: the game of list-building for tournaments or pick-up games/testing on Friday nights at your FLGS is gone. AoS is about calling up a friend or 2, coming up w/ different, creative ways to field/pick your army, and playing a casual game of killies.
But what happens to the large player base that liked fantasy for those very reasons and doesn't want to play this new totally different game just with fantasies face stretched over it? I mean I know what im going to do, switch systems but I wasn't invested in fantasy yet (was only just getting back into it) but I can imagine its a bigger loss for those who have invested heavily in the system they like with army lists and such buying that expensive model to work in a system no longer supported sure there's Local gaming clubs but they'll never be getting a new update, new army books or models that work with their system anymore. They played fantasy for fantasy, for the way it plays but now they're expected to pick up and play this new game that plays like a totally different system just because it has the fantasy name. It doesn't make sense. It would be like cancelling 40k but turning it into a card game and expecting all the 40k players to be ok with it as if it were the same game. They wanted to play 40k not a card game, same situation here. Best to go elsewhere for a system that resembles the game they liked to play over a different system with just the same name.
I think it would have been better to just do the hard drop, kill fantasy and make this AoS a totally new system, not fantasy in name only.
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I managed to read through the whole rules download in under an hour, and folks I almost fething came. YEARS I've waited for these ignorant witches to take this game from one lead by snobs and the "intellectually superior" to a game many can understand and play. Those of you who claim to be veterans, I want to challenge you by saying this: Do you prefer winning, or playing? Because if you call yourself a vet, but have all these complaints about it being "too simple", I have news.......8th Ed was a bastard, and you're just there to win. I watched dozens, maybe hundreds, take one look at the BIG Red Book and say, " Nah, I'm not interested....". Hell, they'd rather play Warmahordes. Why? Because it doesn't take two weeks of learning and another month of model prep to play a game. I sold my Dwarfs, because I had no time to play a game that lasts longer than a mishap with Viagra. I sold my Skaven, because I don't have the time to paint 90 thousand little gaks that will die turn 1 or 2. These rules aren't just streamlined, they are radical. You can now retreat. People playing Warhammer seem to forget that even a slow in command can issue a fallback order. Now my Bretonnians can rush up, feth your eyes out, and pull back before you can chop us apart: surprisingly, this is how Cavalry is supposed to function. Why would a unit of 20 Grave Guard feth around with a puddle of 90 Grots? They wouldn't. They would pull back and March for a more appropriate target. Now there are penalties for people who want to bring an army the size of Jupiter. Serves them right, I can get over a flu before they finish a turn. Im sick of people claiming to be veterans, who support the most broken ass rules just because they hate change. The lack of points cost is a real pain, but I'm SURE they will be soon to fix that. The codexes are free. The rules are free. People, start applauding GW before they take it all back, this is progress!
Now I get people who complain about the game and I get the people who support it and even when the two argue I understand why, its because they're passionate about their stance on the subject but they all love to table top one way or the other. If they didn't they would be so invested in arguing about it but reading this leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. Mainly because it doesn't read like someone who just happens to come down one side or the other but basically reads as a bunch of odd and personal insults that sound more like pot shots at previous gamers you've faced. If you like the new game sure thats great but going at length to insult the old fantasy player base for playing the rules they had at the time, because you clearly didn't like playing them back when it was 8th and now you feel you can have some kind of revenge shows a rather competitive individual.
Lines like:
ignorant c*n*s to take this game from one lead by snobs and the "intellectually superior"
you're just there to win.
Now there are penalties for people who want to bring an army the size of Jupiter. Serves them right
It serves people right for what? having a legitimate horde army? serves them right for wanting to play the game a way you didn't like?
This type of thing doesn't serve anybody and just comes off as a bitter strike back at an old grudge for players in the past.
Its giving off the image of a guy jumping around the room going "serves them right! now lets see them laugh at me now!"
Just because you didn't like 8th and didn't have the time to play or model doesn't give you the pass to start calling everyone that did ****s
the 8th rulebook wasn't there to personally look down on you, theres no sweet revenge to be had here.
Now im not saying its how it is, im saying how it appears.
Its time to put down that hate sun. Its time to move on from it .
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