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Imperium? Or nids?
The Imperium have the power to halt the tyrinid advance, and push them back.
The bugs will consume and adapt, nothing of the Imperium will remain.

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Made in ie
Norn Queen






Dublin, Ireland

I did a thought experiment on numbers a while back. So basically Nids assuming my math was correct

Spoiler:
So lets begin with the Nids.
In the BRB there is a passage on the Hive Fleets (sub box page 237) which states there have been 9 distinct Hive Fleets in the Galaxy thusfar with "millions" of ships comprised of "mililons" of creatures ready for invasion.

Taking the lowend numbes first that would give us:

9 x 2,000,000 (2 million) x 2,000,000 (2 million)

Im taking 2 million as the very lowest end as the word "millions" implies more than one.

Hence, that totals:

3.6 to the power of 13.
That equals 360 trillion.

Next we take the extreme upper end. Since millions implies more than 1, the Nid fleets could reach a cap of 999,999,999 (or nine hundred and ninety nine million). So could the creatures onboard (as per the passge quoted).
There are 9 distinct fleets.
Hence

9 x 999,999,999, x 999,999,999

= 9 to the power of 18 which is called 9 quintillion afaik (9,000,000,000,000,000,000).

So thats the known Nids upper and ower ends. Obviously the other fleets int he Galactic Void and elsewhere could be even larger than this (or smaller too) but there is no hard evidence on them at all from what I can see.



Next is Humanity - I havent tried to do the Imperial Guard as the numbers are hard to pin down.
It is quoted in the BRB (page 170) that Humanity numbers around 1 million worlds. It also states this could be more or less due to the inherent inefficencies of tracking all the worlds so lets take the 1mil mark as a good base.
This is where things get less clear imo though.
Wiki quotes the IoM as having 32,380 Hive worlds. Each world can have 5-20 Hives with populations ranging fro 10 to 100 billion.
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Planets

Personally Im unsure of where these numbers came from but lets try them out to see.

Lets start with the lower end for Hive worlds.

32,380 x 5 (hives) x 10,000,000,000 (10 billion)
= 1.6 to the power of 15 or 1.6,000,000,000,000,000)
or 1.6 quadrillion in short hand.

Things get difficult here however as there are no hard numbers for the other types of IoM worlds, civilised, fuedal, forge, death, agri, death etc.
Sticking with the low end figures fuedal worlds are stated to have a min population of about 10,000,000.

So taking 1,000,000,000 (total worlds) minus 32,380 (the Hives) leaves us with 967,620 worlds.

967,620 x 10,000,000 = 9.6 to the power of 12 or 9.6,000,000,000,000
or 9.6 trillion (note not even a patch on the Nid lowend numbers).

High end IoM then:
High end Hive
32,380 x 20 (hives per world) x 100,000,000,000 (100 billion)
= 6.5 to the power of 15 or 6.5,000,000,000,000,000
or 6.5 quadrillion

Taking the remaining 967,620 worlds and maxing all of them below a Hive worlds cap 99 billion (acknowledged this is wacky and dosent fit with feral, fuedal worlds) gives:
967,620 x 99,000,000,000
= 9.57 to the power of 16 or 950,000,000,000,000,000
or 950 quadrillion
+ Hives = 956 quadrillion.
Note still nowhere near the Nid upper levels.

Finally we can do an extreme IoM and say 1 millio worlds by the Hive cap of 100 billion
1 million x 100 billion=
1 to the power of 17
or 100,000,000,000,000,000
100 quadrillion.

About one tenth of the Nid population.
Made in ie
Norn Queen






Dublin, Ireland

but 9 x 2,000,000 (2 million) x 2,000,000 (2 million) implies each of those two million ships in a fleet has two million warrior-forms aboard. The boxout wording isn't necessarily stating that;


Granted, its likely those ships have very much less than 2 million aboard them. However the math is based on the number ranges given, its simply impossible to say without more detail from fluff which I couldnt find tbh and likely is nowhere to be found outside of fanfic stuff.
The 2mil (+) aboard each ship was based on the number ranges quoted - not an exact science Im afraid.

I'd still wager however Nid numbers are collasol, there was also that 4th/5th IG codex quote that stated IG military preparation would have to ramp to 500% of current to meet a full scale Nid invasion. Until we get a hard number on what the current IG military forces look like its still a bit vague but they're going to be big numbers.
Made in ie
Norn Queen






Dublin, Ireland

: the Deathwatch games established that they can be beaten in space without any extra cheese as they are very vulnerable when feeding and traveling between planets


Not according to BFG rules and background they dont - they are lethal at mid-close range and once an enemy ship is entangled its like having a whole SM Legion board you in terms of ferocity.

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The tyranids are stupid, wasteful and ultimately unfit to live. Even if the IoM can't stop them they will die in our galaxy. Something as silly as that couldn't have had any success against intelligent opponents.


How so?
 
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