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Lion's Blade Strike Force

Battle Demi-Company

Company Master
Artificer Armor, Storm Shield, Thunder Hammer, Shroud of Heroes

Command Squad
Apothecary, 4x Combi-Plasma
Drop Pod

(10) Company Veteran Squad (Co Master)
Power Fist, Combi-Melta
2x Storm Shields
2x Meltaguns
Drop Pod

(5) Tactical Squad
Meltagun, Combi-Melta
Drop Pod

(5) Tactical Squad
Meltagun, Combi-Melta
Drop Pod

(5) Tactical Squad
Meltagun, Combi-Melta
Drop Pod

(5) Assault Squad
2x Flamers, Meltabomb
Drop Pod

(10) Devestator Squad
4x Grav-Cannons
Drop Pod

10th Company Support

(10) Scouts
BP/CCW, Combi-Melta, Meltabomb

Stormwing Formation (Iron Hands)

Stormraven (Veteran Squad)
Lascannon, Multimelta

Stormtalon
Skyhammer

Stormtalon
Skyhammer

[2000]

Simple, straight-forward idea here. Lots of Pods delivering dudes and firepower. Stormraven delivers Obj Sec Veteran squad with Co Master. Not a deathstar, so much as a reactive combat unit. The Grav Pod can Combat Squad to shoot up two units if need be. The Scouts probably will outflank. The Combi-Plasma squad is there to alpha strike, hopefully killing a pesky unit. ~16 Obj Secured units total. Thoughts? Ideas? Improvements?

Nothing? Anyone?

a few points/questions

why combi-plasmas in the command squad? You can just go all plasma instead.
Also, I don't think the shroud of heroes is a wise choice for a foot commander in a unit. I'd leave it for someone on a bike.
.In your vet sqd, you have a powerfist guy with a combi-melta. That makes no sense as it reduces his close combat attacks. It should be bolt pistol and powerfist and have the combi on another model.
I also don't like the grav cannons in apod unless with skyhammer formation. My personal plan is to go 1 unit of 5 devs with 2 grav cannons in a rhino. They can shoot out of top hatch and are better protected. I plan to use 2 of these.

 bullyboy wrote:
a few points/questions

why combi-plasmas in the command squad? You can just go all plasma instead.
Also, I don't think the shroud of heroes is a wise choice for a foot commander in a unit. I'd leave it for someone on a bike.
.In your vet sqd, you have a powerfist guy with a combi-melta. That makes no sense as it reduces his close combat attacks. It should be bolt pistol and powerfist and have the combi on another model.
I also don't like the grav cannons in apod unless with skyhammer formation. My personal plan is to go 1 unit of 5 devs with 2 grav cannons in a rhino. They can shoot out of top hatch and are better protected. I plan to use 2 of these.

Powerfists are specialist weapons. A bolt pistol does nothing.

No bikes in the list. The perk is worth the measly few points, imo. Also, the Grav shoot less, but are still solid. I also can Combat Squad to divide shots. No bikes or tanks in the list, so it doesn't make sense to run them. Combi are cheaper than full Plasma and the unit is probably going to get smoked after the first volley. Saving 20pt gets me stuff elsewhere. At least, the was my logic.

So lots of inefficiency here:

Commander is throwing points in the bin with the Shroud. Even on his own the shroud is perhaps worth it, in a unit that is a waste of points.

The command likewise is a waste. You have podding Devs why aren't you making them relentless? Which would give you 4 extra Ap2 shots, 7 if you took those wasted point from the shroud and gave the Dev Sarge a combi-grav, meaning for no extra points you could swap the command to full meltas or if you want throw away to combi-gravs upping you by 12 Ap2 shots when you land...

That vet squad is running at nearly 300 points for 3 meltaguns and 10 ASMs worth of attacks which require your storm raven to suicide in order to deliver alongside the non-EW character... Give up on CC characters with DA they just don't do it. Concentrate on relentless units pouring shots into your opponent and making him unable to charge you due to devastating overwatch.

The Tac, ASM and Dev squads all make sense, though I'm lost as to your intent with the scouts. Drop them to 5 man and use them objective campers and to clear chaff.

By dropping the Vets, the scouts to 5 and the excess on the Captain you could afford a full battle company and thus get the pods for free and massively increase your overall threat level, board presence and survivability.

How would I go about making my Devs Relentless within the context of the BDC? Only way I see is via Skyhammer and I didn't really want to run that.

You might want to read what the Sacred Standards now do.

Sacred standard (or one of those standards do) but thats only for a command squad.

EDIT: Relentless is not a easily attainable USR.

Yeah reading fail on my part

DA can't take storm talons or stormravens so unbound army?

Stalked21 wrote:
DA can't take storm talons or stormravens so unbound army?

You can include the Stormwing formation though. They just aren't Dark Angels but so what?

The stormwing is worthless if your friends allow forgeworld, cause deredeo is the best flakk gun on legs period.

You can turn around and spend those points on a land raider for your veterans. The company masters loadout is wonky because thunder hammer. To me it just feels like your trying to fill a void in an army left by belial getting laid out like the cottage throw rug. And can't figure out a way to make a company master work with termites.

Company masters go well with two units that's it: deathwing terminators (or some description) and assault marines with packs. He doesn't mesh with the others. You want to know who works well with pod veterans? Ezekiel. Big zeke basically screams use me with them and then you have a pretty Killy melee dice rolling damage unit. You park a terminator squad in the cc, charge in and dump 4a pm on the charge if you bring barebones veterans and that's before we've discussed rage from interromancy. In theory here you could get 63 chainswords in the mix that's a metric mountain of chainswords. That's almost max squad of ork boys in cc nasty.

Your scouts won't make use of a combi melta I feel that is better placed elsewhere.

I also feel that your wasting the ability to spam free transports, pods are not the most effective use, razorback vehicle parks are imo because they can carry nasty weapons

All in all I think you haven't grasped the concept of the lions blade well and are trying to make a Demi company fill the shoes of a CAD and it just isn't doing it I'm sorry..

 ionusx wrote:
The stormwing is worthless if your friends allow forgeworld, cause deredeo is the best flakk gun on legs period.

You can turn around and spend those points on a land raider for your veterans. The company masters loadout is wonky because thunder hammer. To me it just feels like your trying to fill a void in an army left by belial getting laid out like the cottage throw rug. And can't figure out a way to make a company master work with termites.

Company masters go well with two units that's it: deathwing terminators (or some description) and assault marines with packs. He doesn't mesh with the others. You want to know who works well with pod veterans? Ezekiel. Big zeke basically screams use me with them and then you have a pretty Killy melee dice rolling damage unit. You park a terminator squad in the cc, charge in and dump 4a pm on the charge if you bring barebones veterans and that's before we've discussed rage from interromancy. In theory here you could get 63 chainswords in the mix that's a metric mountain of chainswords. That's almost max squad of ork boys in cc nasty.

Your scouts won't make use of a combi melta I feel that is better placed elsewhere.

I also feel that your wasting the ability to spam free transports, pods are not the most effective use, razorback vehicle parks are imo because they can carry nasty weapons

All in all I think you haven't grasped the concept of the lions blade well and are trying to make a Demi company fill the shoes of a CAD and it just isn't doing it I'm sorry..

For one, I am not going Full Company, because it is very restrictive trying to fit in effective stuff with such specific needs. The Lion's Blade isn't just about the chance for free transports, but for Grim Resolve that gets to Overwatch at full BS, which is why I was using it. Also, Razorbacks and Pods are drastically different in what they do. One isn't better, they are apples and oranges.

Also, I have to have a Co Master in the list (or Chaplain) and opted for one with combat kit to tank. Can't take Zeke in his place, so unless I opted for an Inner Circle, I am still paying the Co Master tax for the Lion's Blade.

And you suggest a Land Raider? Those don't live long, from everything I have seen. Too much haywire and Gauss, AP1 and Str D, etc. That is like throwing 250+ pts in the garbage. At least the Stormwing can deliver anti-air and anti-tank in a trio of units, instead of one that only is really an AV14 transport. Plus, with Pods it doesn't make sense to have a Land Raider just hanging out.

The Scouts can use the Combi if they Outflank or manage to Infiltrate close enough and survive.

And Deredeo is one unit, for which I would have a turn to lay out with Grav shots before my Stormwing comes on the table.

All-in-all, I chose one rather inefficient combo (Co Master & Vets), but that is easily fixed. Is isn't a fine-turned cheese-riddled tourney list, by any stretch. I was keeping to some semblance of fluff for the Chapter I was going to be using.

C'est la vie. I will probably not be using it. I just can't see a reason to not use the Gladius instead, currently.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
I just can't see a reason to not use the Gladius instead, currently.

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