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I've searched around and I've not been able to find what I'm looking for. I'm after some brushes to begin painting my models and I've heard there are better brushes around than the ones you can pick up from GW.

Could anyone make some suggests and recommend what sizes I'll need for a full set?

Thanks

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Thamor wrote:
I've searched around and I've not been able to find what I'm looking for. I'm after some brushes to begin painting my models and I've heard there are better brushes around than the ones you can pick up from GW.

Could anyone make some suggests and recommend what sizes I'll need for a full set?

Thanks


It reallydepends on how much money you want to spend. I would recommend Rosemary & Co series 33. They are very good value, as they are high quality kolinsky sable brushes for a very good price. Get a no 1 or a no 0 and maybe a no 2 as well. I would also get a no 1 in synthetic for metallic paint which will really wear down your natural hair brushes, you can also get these from Rosemary & co. If you are planning to drybrush i would pick up some brushes for that as well. I would also recommend get some brush cleaner or restorer to keep your brushes in good condition.

Series 33:
http://www.rosemaryandco.com/watercolour-brushes/pure-kolinsky-sable/pure-kolinsky-pointed

Synthetic.
http://www.rosemaryandco.com/watercolour-brushes/golden-synthetic/pointed-round-golden-synthetic

Some reading on taking care of your brushes:
https://www.bentbristle.com/miniature-painting-brush-care/

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Let me also recommend a couple of classics. One is the Windsor & Newton Series 7 brushes (not the Miniature series, just the regular one), and the other is the Raphael 8404 series. Both of these are excellent series of brushes and if taken care of properly will last you years.

I've used both of these series of brushes, though I personally prefer the Raphael series as they seem to be a tad stiffer than my Series 7, but either of them are great sets.

It is definitely worth picking up a good set of brushes. They might be a tad expensive initially, but the investment pays off, both in not having to keep buying brushes, and many people find that they can just paint better when using better brushes. Having a brush that can keep a consistent point without a curling up is a big deal.
   
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For a cheaper alternative to Kolinsky, look into Red Sable (a Kolinsky is a Sable, after all). They will be cheaper, and the painting experience will be very close to that of painting with a Kolinsky hair brush.

Avoid synthetic at all costs. Yes, they are much cheaper, but acrylic paints destroy synthetic bristles, and you can not prevent it. In the words of Ben Franklin, don't be penny wise, but pound foolish. You'll be replacing your $3 synthetics almost monthly, but your $15 Kolinsky will last years. Literally. I've got a W&N 7 that's at least 10 years old, and while it doesn't hold a point anymore when dry, once paint hits it, it comes to a very nice point. I've also got a Raph 8404 which is ~4 years old, and holds a point wet or dry. I prefer the Raph because of its bigger reservoir, but that's personal preference. A good quality Red Sable brush, with proper care, will also last for years.

Avoid GW brushes. While they may be natural hair bristles, they are poor quality and over priced. I suspect they're using squirrel hair, or another cheap hair. The way paint flows from Kolinsky or Red Sable hair is unequalled, and this is why people tend to paint better with them. The even, controlled flow of paint makes a huge difference.
   
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If these are your first brushes, don't buy Kolinsky sable brushes. Don't even buy natural hair brushes. Here is why:

1. Synthetic brushes have a lot of snap (the bristles go straight), making them easier to learn with.
2. Synthetic brushes are easier to clean and cheaper to throw away, because...
3. You're likely to get paint in the ferrule (the metal part that holds the bristles), and you're unlikely to clean them properly, so they won't last long anyhow. It is a lot of work to upkeep premium brushes, and most people don't when they start out.
4. You're not going to notice the difference in how much paint they hold anyhow. There will be so many other challenges you face, like how much to thin paint.

The biggest advantage a sable brush has is that they don't kink. Synthetic brushes kink after you paint a few minis (the tip literally is kinked), making them "useless" -- at least, for people who want to do precision work. In fact, if you are diligent with cleaning your brushes (you have to be religious about it), good Kolinsky brushes can last you for hundreds of painted miniatures -- years, for most people. But if you get paint into the ferrule, and don't clean them properly, they'll die like any other brush. The hairs poke out all over the place and they don't paint nicely.

Synthetic brushes tend to naturally hold their shape, so you don't have to constantly retip your brush. People who use kolinsky brushes will constantly go to the palette and roll the brush to get a new tip -- just watch a Warhammer TV video with Duncan Rhodes. He'll does it every time he gets more paint; it becomes second nature.

Holding more paint in the bristles is something a more advanced painter will appreciate, and something a new painter will not even notice.

My suggestion is to go to a hobby shop that carries stuff other than GW, and buy Royal or PMX brushes. They are about $2-$3 (or less). You want to start off getting sizes like 0, 1, 2 for round, and you want at least one flat brush, if not a couple. They'll last you long enough to get the hang of things, and once you have a bit of experience, you can invest in something better if you wish.

In contrast, a Winsor & Newton Series 7 is about $15-$20 (on sale). However, for me, in the lifespan of a S7 brush, I'd go through like, 20+ synthetics, so I'm way, way ahead buying the premium brush.

Take it from a guy who loves Kolinsky sable brushes, and who has bought just about every Kolinsky brush at the fine arts store he can get his hands on, though: synthetics are better FIRST brushes.

After you paint a little bit, you should invest in are drybrushes. The GW drybrushes are excellent (not to mention the only drybrushes that anyone makes).

Ultra Grey wrote:
Avoid GW brushes. While they may be natural hair bristles, they are poor quality and over priced. I suspect they're using squirrel hair, or another cheap hair. The way paint flows from Kolinsky or Red Sable hair is unequalled, and this is why people tend to paint better with them. The even, controlled flow of paint makes a huge difference.


Neither of these comments are actually true. Assuming you're talking about the round brushes:

The OLD GW brushes (the ones with the colored handles) were kolinsky sable for the detail, fine detail, and standard brushes: it said so right on GW's website.

The NEW GW brushes (the ones with the glossy black handles), in the round layer and basecoat, are 100% synthetic, with the sole exception of the Artificer brush, which is Kolinksky Sable (and actually a pretty nice brush).

The old round brushes were actually pretty nice for the price. I wrote a review of the new brushes them a couple months back. The new round brushes are synthetic brushes which are fine to learn on, but they're no better than any other synthetic brush, and not worth paying a premium for.

Note that most of the brushes from most of the other gaming companies are just as expensive and worse. For example, p3 brushes are horrible (I own 'em all, including the studio ones), and the Army Painter brushes are ok learning brushes, but not much more than that, with the exception of the Character & Regiment brushes. None of them are particularly awesome value.

GW has REALLY nice drybrushes. Not only are they perfect at what they do, but as I said above, they are the only products on the market for drybrushing. If you keep them clean (which takes a lot of effort), they will last a REALLY long time. Mine are pushing... 3 years? And I drybrush tons of stuff -- mountains of terrain.

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