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What (and when) will be the next Codex?

Chaos or IG, or something else? What do people think, or have you got any gossip or heard any rumours?

Rumor is Tau, for whatever reason.


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Most likely in 3-4 months.

Tau it is. Alongside it, new kits for Crisis and FW (dual-kit) and a starter set with RG

The believable Lords of Wargaming rumours say Tau.

The crazy sites like BoLS, etc.. say Tzeentch Daemonkin vs. Dark Angels campaign, if that's still a thing?

When?

tau gets new formation that allows drones to be taken for each squad for free.

I was going to get the Farsight supplement soon. Is it worth getting now or should I leave it? Would it still be valid if there is a new Tau codex?

Honestly. Nobody will be able to tell.

GW seems to switch "design-philosophy" at least every 6 months these days.

The Codexes from the first 6 months of 7th Edition, Orks to ~ Blood Angels, are very different from the second 6 months of 7th Edition, ~Necrons to Dark Angels.

Chances are, now that we've had a break and enter a new "half-year", that the design-philosophy will change again. So how the next Codex will look, what it does with supplements, which were a thing early on in 7th but recently disappeared, etc.., what it does with point values post-AoS, etc.., is all anyone's guess.

As mentioned above, Tau are rumored to be next according to the more reliable sources. Sad Panda who was pretty much spot on with his stuff from the first half of this year has said strait up no more Chaos anything for 40k this year.

Odds are pretty good that GW will continue to let Chaos Marines rot, and when they do eventually decide to throw CSM players the last few table scraps, they'll get to be first in line for the 'new' design shift, which will include Formations that have to pay 75-250+ pts base 'tax' before even choosing any models, (ala original Apoc rules!)
On top of this incredible 'privilege' for gaining a watered down bonus that will be mediocre at best, CSM's will get no new model releases, and have every kit except for Hellbrutes & Raptors/Warptalons shifted to webstore only availability!

And to ensure that the new CSM codex is properly balanced with the rest of books, every unit will see a pts hike, and the only ap1/2 weapons in the army will be Lascannons and Meltaguns!

Chaos Bolt weapons will also gain a brand new special rule called 'Chaotic Flux' - on a roll of a 6, the weapon gets to fire normally, on a 3-5 the shot becomes 6"/Heavy 1/ap -, and on a 1 or 2 the weapon malfunctioned and you must remove your entire army from play with no saves of any kind allowed!

Experiment 626 wrote:
As mentioned above, Tau are rumored to be next according to the more reliable sources. Sad Panda who was pretty much spot on with his stuff from the first half of this year has said strait up no more Chaos anything for 40k this year.

Odds are pretty good that GW will continue to let Chaos Marines rot, and when they do eventually decide to throw CSM players the last few table scraps, they'll get to be first in line for the 'new' design shift, which will include Formations that have to pay 75-250+ pts base 'tax' before even choosing any models, (ala original Apoc rules!)
On top of this incredible 'privilege' for gaining a watered down bonus that will be mediocre at best, CSM's will get no new model releases, and have every kit except for Hellbrutes & Raptors/Warptalons shifted to webstore only availability!

And to ensure that the new CSM codex is properly balanced with the rest of books, every unit will see a pts hike, and the only ap1/2 weapons in the army will be Lascannons and Meltaguns!

Chaos Bolt weapons will also gain a brand new special rule called 'Chaotic Flux' - on a roll of a 6, the weapon gets to fire normally, on a 3-5 the shot becomes 6"/Heavy 1/ap -, and on a 1 or 2 the weapon malfunctioned and you must remove your entire army from play with no saves of any kind allowed!

No, it wouldn't be that bad.

It'll be more like : Roll a D6. On a roll of 1-6, the model is sucked into the Warp by the Chaos Gods and is removed as a casualty.

Wonderwolf wrote:


The crazy sites like BoLS, etc.. say Tzeentch Daemonkin vs. Dark Angels campaign, if that's still a thing?

I suspect there is a campaign coming sooner or later. I also suspect that app story about invading Mars is a teaser for it. It could be Dark Angels, but I doubt it. Fluff wise, we'd be more likely to see Imperial Fists, but I'd suspect Guard and/or Mechanicus vs Tzeentch/Other chaos? and or rogue Mechanicus. Especially with the new Guard bundles being hawked on the website.

Tau. We're also getting the largest codex release in terms of kits too if the rumors can be believed. They all seem fairly accurate so far so it seems likely we'll be getting 4 new kits. The Tau terrain/fixed/prefabricated and deployed structure terrain might be less reliable.

4 new kits. New Crisis suit, a missile focused Riptide of some sort, new troop kit, and ???. As well as the possibility of the Tau terrain/fortification.

Also my bets are we can take Riptides in 3 man squads with the right formation.

What is left to get a 7th ed dex? Tau, CSM, IG, tyranids?

 Ventus wrote:
What is left to get a 7th ed dex? Tau, CSM, IG, tyranids?

Orks, Wolves, B.Angels, Dark Eldar all have 7th ed books, but got theirs before all the Decurion styled goodness took over.
Chaos Marines, Tau, Daemons, Tyranids & Guard are still all 6th edition books, alongside their various supplement codices for those that got them.

Tyranids however at least have the benefits of receiving some more 'modern' types of Formations to really boost their power, even though the parent codex itself is by all accounts, pretty bland and hilariously imbalanced internally...
Chaos at least has the Khorne Daemonkin, if you don't mind pantheon/mixing of the various Gods, while Daemons themselves can still compete somewhat due to the ability to spam Warp Charges, risk-free Summoning and Be'lakor when he's allowed... If you don't like Khorne though, and/or running Nurgle/Noise Marines, CSM's are pretty much BA's -10 levels of awful!
Guard at least get the super IoM BFF club that can more than make-up for any actual pitfalls the book itself currently has...
Tau are still Tau...

Really, the only army that's 100% screwed over completely right now is anyone who wants to play Chaos Marines that focus on the actual fething Chaos Marines! Orks at least work fine and have huge potential to ruin opponents right out of their own book... Chaos Marines only get decent when you actively avoid taking any actual Chaos Marines, outside of MSU Plague/Noise Marines!
That, and their model is easily the gakkiest of every army that's available 'off the shelf' from the local store.

Experiment 626 wrote:

On top of this incredible 'privilege' for gaining a watered down bonus that will be mediocre at best, CSM's will get no new model releases, and have every kit except for Hellbrutes & Raptors/Warptalons shifted to webstore only availability!

And to ensure that the new CSM codex is properly balanced with the rest of books, every unit will see a pts hike, and the only ap1/2 weapons in the army will be Lascannons and Meltaguns!

Chaos Bolt weapons will also gain a brand new special rule called 'Chaotic Flux' - on a roll of a 6, the weapon gets to fire normally, on a 3-5 the shot becomes 6"/Heavy 1/ap -, and on a 1 or 2 the weapon malfunctioned and you must remove your entire army from play with no saves of any kind allowed!

Or you could get a table you roll on for a randomized result every time you fail a morale check, where in your troops in that squad take a number of Strength 4 hits for no good reason. Half the results will mean you break and run anyway, the other being you get to stay maybe. In any case, on top of the troops you lost to shooting, you're losing more!

 OrkaMorka wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:

On top of this incredible 'privilege' for gaining a watered down bonus that will be mediocre at best, CSM's will get no new model releases, and have every kit except for Hellbrutes & Raptors/Warptalons shifted to webstore only availability!

And to ensure that the new CSM codex is properly balanced with the rest of books, every unit will see a pts hike, and the only ap1/2 weapons in the army will be Lascannons and Meltaguns!

Chaos Bolt weapons will also gain a brand new special rule called 'Chaotic Flux' - on a roll of a 6, the weapon gets to fire normally, on a 3-5 the shot becomes 6"/Heavy 1/ap -, and on a 1 or 2 the weapon malfunctioned and you must remove your entire army from play with no saves of any kind allowed!

Or you could get a table you roll on for a randomized result every time you fail a morale check, where in your troops in that squad take a number of Strength 4 hits for no good reason. Half the results will mean you break and run anyway, the other being you get to stay maybe. In any case, on top of the troops you lost to shooting, you're losing more!

It's not so bad for Orks though, as the majority of Ork choices outside of Nobs are typically dirt cheap...
Daemons get a similar 'random' through Daemonic Instability, whereby losing a combat by just a single point can potentially mean a 300+pts Greater Daemon insta-pops. Overall though, despite the worst case scenario, (you know, the one where 1st turn your entire army takes DI tests in your own Shooting phase), Daemon players don't complain about it because overall our army is full of cheap choices that make those Instability casualties a minor annoyance at worst.

Imagine having a watered down and borked rules set though, where your entire book is effectively 'Space Marines -10', but priced as if they're really 'Space Marines +5'... that's what the Chaos Marine codex on it's own currently is.

 Gamgee wrote:
Tau. We're also getting the largest codex release in terms of kits too if the rumors can be believed. They all seem fairly accurate so far so it seems likely we'll be getting 4 new kits. The Tau terrain/fixed/prefabricated and deployed structure terrain might be less reliable.

4 new kits. New Crisis suit, a missile focused Riptide of some sort, new troop kit, and ???. As well as the possibility of the Tau terrain/fortification.

Also my bets are we can take Riptides in 3 man squads with the right formation.

AFAIK, the 4th new kit is the aegis-like terrain

No Dark Angels mentioned for once! It's a first in years folks!

I would say CSM. The codex is simply really bad overall. I hope they get some of the new SM/DA codex love.

 A Watcher In The Dark wrote:
No Dark Angels mentioned for once! It's a first in years folks!

I would say CSM. The codex is simply really bad overall. I hope they get some of the new SM/DA codex love.

I doubt it, but then, I started playing at the beginning of 3rd edition, and have seen CSM's get exactly one hilariously bad yet OP book, while the other 3 have either been stinking turds or else handicapped by the need to replace 11+ units that suddenly vanished instead of bringing in new toys & a re-vamped model line like Loyalists have been enjoying for 2 entire editions now...

CSM's I fear won't be relevant until GW decides to re-boot the model line itself and begin mass replacing upwards of 70%+ of the current CSM lineup... our models are just too old & fugly to sell well, unless we get a codex that's so grossly OP that it makes 3.5 look tame!

People are still holding out for another Daemonkin book?

Let's not forget that the Khorne daemonkin became their own faction. So do we really expect GW to make a Khorne Daemonkin faction, a Tzeentch Daemonkin faction, a Nurgle Daemonkin faction, a Slaanesh Daemonkin faction, and then a CSM Faction, plus a Chaos Daemons faction? The same people that won't release legion rules for 10 years?

Hold your breath.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
People are still holding out for another Daemonkin book?

Let's not forget that the Khorne daemonkin became their own faction. So do we really expect GW to make a Khorne Daemonkin faction, a Tzeentch Daemonkin faction, a Nurgle Daemonkin faction, a Slaanesh Daemonkin faction, and then a CSM Faction, plus a Chaos Daemons faction? The same people that won't release legion rules for 10 years?

Hold your breath.

The only shot we have at the other Daemonkin books ever seeing the light of day will be because;
1. The other 3 Greater Daemons get released.
2. Codex Daemons hasn't yet been updated to include the rules for the other 3 new plastic Greaters, OR, Daemons have been released, but the new plastic Greater(s) weren't released yet and thus, still have no 40k rules.

Or else GW will just throw the relevant rules into the boxes with the model itself and/or release the rules exclusively in WD/digital download instead!

Personally thinking something guard is comming down the pipe. Maybe not a codex, but they just added two new web bundles recently and those normally support a rules release...

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
Personally thinking something guard is comming down the pipe. Maybe not a codex, but they just added two new web bundles recently and those normally support a rules release...

We could speculate Guard will come after Tau, but nothing is certain.

 Vector Strike wrote:

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
Personally thinking something guard is comming down the pipe. Maybe not a codex, but they just added two new web bundles recently and those normally support a rules release...

We could speculate Guard will come after Tau, but nothing is certain.

I hope the IG get the next update. They need some help asap. My friend is not the best player of games and just sucks so bad at 40k. So having a bad codex is compounding him.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
People are still holding out for another Daemonkin book?

Let's not forget that the Khorne daemonkin became their own faction. So do we really expect GW to make a Khorne Daemonkin faction, a Tzeentch Daemonkin faction, a Nurgle Daemonkin faction, a Slaanesh Daemonkin faction, and then a CSM Faction, plus a Chaos Daemons faction? The same people that won't release legion rules for 10 years?

Hold your breath.

I agree. Extrapolating any kind of series/pattern from a single data point is just a recipe for bad rumours and lots of disappointments.

Hell, for all we know, the series (if there is one ... unlikely), might not actually be
(1) Khorne Daemonkin
(2) Nurgle Daemonkin
(3) etc..

but may just aswell be

(1) Khorne Daemonkin
(2) Khorne Infernal Engines
(3) Khorne Legions of the Long War
(4) etc..

Well its all but official that Slaanesh is RIP in fantasy. So expect to see the transition of no Slaanesh in 40k as well.

I hope the IG get the next update. They need some help asap. My friend is not the best player of games and just sucks so bad at 40k. So having a bad codex is compounding him.

yeah Guard'll need some love soonish. one of their big things was tank squadrons. which it seems is becoming a normal thing for armies going on forward now. I'll be curious to see what their "full squadron bonus" will be for LRs

BrianDavion wrote:
yeah Guard'll need some love soonish. one of their big things was tank squadrons. which it seems is becoming a normal thing for armies going on forward now. I'll be curious to see what their "full squadron bonus" will be for LRs

While Guard definitely do need some love, I'd much rather see CSM's get their book first, as they're overall in a much worse place atm... At least IG can partake of the game's largest & arguably best allies pool to fill the huge holes in their book.