Does Vostroya make any titans?

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**DorianGray**

Vostroya is not a Forge World because it is not ruled by the Mechanicum. However it might just be a technicality and for all intents and purposes be a Forge World.

I have a Vostroyan IG army and was thinking of getting an Imperial Knight with the words: "Made in Vostroya" painted on it and paint it in Vostroya colours. Would that be fluffly at all? I know Titans are only made on some worlds and not others. The other Forgeworlds just make superheavy tanks etc.

Also because the Imperial Knights are manned by the mechanicum and the mechanicum is not related at all to the Vostroyan military would it even make fluffy sense to have it in Vostroyan colours?

**Furyou Miko**

Knights are manned by the Knight Houses, rather than the Mechanicum directly... no reason Vostroya might not potentially be a Knight World.

**Tydil**

Regardless of fluff it's a cool idea. Vostroyans have ornate and old weaponry so and old imperial knight would be neat.

Also remember Vostroyans had their problems with not obeying rules before. They said they'd prefer to make war gear with their people instead of sending them to battle, so the fact that they would make imperial knights and nor mention it sounds likely.

**DorianGray**

You can't hide the fact you make Titans and the Vostroyan guard are ordered around from the upper ig command and transported by the navy to battlefields. They don't operate by themselves they have no independence.

I think you need special permission and knowledge to make Knights and Titans I just need to know if Vostroya is one of these worlds.

Without fluff 40k is nothing. Sigh* I guess no Knights for my Vostroyans so sad. The adeptus Mechanicum armies seem like a decent way to add some CC melee ability into the force.

**troa**

How did you go from "I want to do it, is it fluffy" to "it's not fluffy I can't do it" from what they said? As Furyou said, there's no reason Vostroya can't be a knight world.

**DorianGray**

Does it say in the Imperial Knights Codex Fluff section that Vostroya is a Knight World?

I don't own the codex.

**Unyielding Hunger**

As far as I am aware, vostroya is not a knight world. That being said, rogue knights are not unheard of and tend to attach themselves and their retinue to whatever army or cause they align with.

**Gashrog**

To have a knight sharing the colours with the regiment I think the most likely explanation would ignore the Mechanicus and Vostroya and focus on the regiment itself. Make it an oath between the a Knight Household and that specific regiment. Maybe a century ago a the regiment disobeyed orders and saved the Household from annihilation, in response the household swore an oath to support the regiment wherever an whenever possible.

**DorianGray**

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Knight_Worlds

Hm, Vostroya is not listed on here.

But these primitive Knight Worlds are mining/agricultural planets that ship food/ore to the actual ForgeWorlds.

The actual Imperial Knights are made in the Forge World's themselves and shipped over to these Knight Planets.

Of course then they would be painted in those Knight World's colours. The only fluffy way I could do this is find the Knight World close to Vostroya in segmentum Obsurus and paint it in their colours.

Seems ridiculous that the actual ForgeWorlds that make the Imperial Knights don't run/man them themselves. If 100s of Knights constructs are made on Vostroya why are ALL of them shipped to some feudalistic primitive human planet only so they can be "cool" again and duel in the giant Knight Robots?

Then you have to ask for permission have these planets "loan" their stupid Knights to you to use in campaigns when the ForgeWorlds are the one who constructed them in the first place.

What god-awefull terrible fluff. Way to go GW. slowed.

**Tydil**

Wait what? Are you upset? We're all telling you that you can do it and it's likely true in the fluff. Also gw tells you to make up your own stuff when you want. You can have knights and titans or whatever else you want, it's your stuff, your world.

Do you not want knights to work in the fluff? Usually when people respond like this it's because they secretly wanted things not to work out. You also don't have to have knights or feel pressured to have any unit you don't like.

I wouldn't blame gw for lacking in fluff, they do provide plenty of that.

**BrianDavion**

DorianGray wrote:
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Knight_Worlds

Hm, Vostroya is not listed on here.

But these primitive Knight Worlds are mining/agricultural planets that ship food/ore to the actual ForgeWorlds.

The actual Imperial Knights are made in the Forge World's themselves and shipped over to these Knight Planets.

Of course then they would be painted in those Knight World's colours. The only fluffy way I could do this is find the Knight World close to Vostroya in segmentum Obsurus and paint it in their colours.

Seems ridiculous that the actual ForgeWorlds that make the Imperial Knights don't run/man them themselves. If 100s of Knights constructs are made on Vostroya why are ALL of them shipped to some feudalistic primitive human planet only so they can be "cool" again and duel in the giant Knight Robots?

Then you have to ask for permission have these planets "loan" their stupid Knights to you to use in campaigns when the ForgeWorlds are the one who constructed them in the first place.

What god-awefull terrible fluff. Way to go GW. slowed.

except that's not the case. AT ALL. First of all, some forge worlds may well have their own Knights ,we know Mars maintains it's own Knight House for example. Secondly NO WHERE does it say that the admech even PRODUCES Imperial Knights. Every bit of fluff implies that Knights are ancient relics, handed down over millienia. the Admech suplies maintaince training, (and sometimes rare spare parts) these are very very differnt animals then making an entirely new Knight. Why is this expertise provided? because Knight worlds have something the admech want. it's typical politics. nothings free.

**Big Mac**

Even though your army is vostroyans, you can have knights ally with them during a campaign that involve many other regiments, and even space marines. I chose house hawk shroud for my allies because they accept everyone's invitation to a fight.

If you limit yourself based on fluff, then I highly suggest you do a campaign armies on a certain sector, with many guard regiments and allies, maybe under a inquisitor or supreme guard commander.

**Grumblewartz**

It seems to be that people are not aware that things like imperial knights and Titans are not actually manufactured. They are relics from a lost age of technology. The mechanicum at best repairs such holy relics, discovers lost ones, every once in awhile in a few centuries they may find the lost template to construct such an unimaginably complex piece of machinery, but it is not clear that they have the capacity to actually manufacture such a thing. There are known to be some manufactorums that survived the cataclysm and continue to produce new ones, but these are so incredibly rare. Consider the fact that the leman russ has been the tank of the imperial guard in the thousands of years since the end of golden period because the culture in the IoM is completely against innovation which they equate to heresy. So, most worlds that produce weaponry are actually pumping out small arms, lesser tanks, and every so often baneblades and their variants. Even the Landraiders are not mass produced.

Has GW been moving away from this fluff, because I noticed a lot of people do not seem to be aware of it? Then again, I have been playing for over 16 years, so I may just be entirely out of touch with the current fluff.

**Icculus**

All I know is that in the space marine videogame they were in a Titan Manufactorum where supposedly a titan was made. But perhaps it was just a manufactorum that housed a titan while they made repairs and upgrades.

**Gashrog**

A lot of fluff varies depending on which GW author is writing it. If Jervis is involved for example you will find no mention of Dark Angel bikes or speeders outside of the Ravenwing, if someone else is writing it then chances are you will.

The same generally applies to anything rare or advanced, one author will say they are forgotten technology and can never be produced, others will say they can.

**Psienesis**

The planet of Vostroya has existed for far longer in the fluff than the latest information about the Knight Houses. However, Vostroya isn't a Forge World, and so does not build Titans for the Adeptus Mechanicus.

It seems to be that people are not aware that things like imperial knights and Titans are not actually manufactured. They are relics from a lost age of technology. The mechanicum at best repairs such holy relics, discovers lost ones, every once in awhile in a few centuries they may find the lost template to construct such an unimaginably complex piece of machinery, but it is not clear that they have the capacity to actually manufacture such a thing. There are known to be some manufactorums that survived the cataclysm and continue to produce new ones, but these are so incredibly rare. Consider the fact that the leman russ has been the tank of the imperial guard in the thousands of years since the end of golden period because the culture in the IoM is completely against innovation which they equate to heresy. So, most worlds that produce weaponry are actually pumping out small arms, lesser tanks, and every so often baneblades and their variants. Even the Landraiders are not mass produced.

Has GW been moving away from this fluff, because I noticed a lot of people do not seem to be aware of it? Then again, I have been playing for over 16 years, so I may just be entirely out of touch with the current fluff.

There are sources that indicate that many worlds are still capable of building at least certain classes of Titans, so sort of.

**jareddm**

HH4: Conquest goes into extreme detail on the relationship between Knight Worlds and the Mechanicum (which does not exist in M41, keep in mind). In short, most Knight Worlds can not produce their own Knights, the Mechanicum produces them for the world in question. The reason for this is a long series of complex oaths and pacts, originally known as the Sidon Protocols. The Knights are maintained on the Knight World because by sovereign rights, the Knights that the Mechanicum builds are the property of those worlds. The level of freedom that a world has to do with those Knights, despite ownership, varies greatly by the specifics of the protocols used to forge the agreement.

How much of this still applies in M41, I couldn't tell you.

**Forgemaster Argos**

Icculus wrote:
All I know is that in the space marine videogame they were in a Titan Manufactorum where supposedly a titan was made. But perhaps it was just a manufactorum that housed a titan while they made repairs and upgrades.

While that particular incarnation of 40k isn't quite considered canon, (shame too, Titus is way more fun than Sicarius) given the opening cinematic, I would say with near certainty that Graia produces titans at manufactorum Ajakis. The cogitator in the cinematic states the output of the forge world, everything from tanks to sentinels.

"Warlord Class Titan" appears on this readout in the cinematic, leading me to believe that the god machines are indeed created on this world, perhaps in much smaller numbers than any other war materiel due to their plans ancient provinence and their complexity.

As for painting a Vostroyan knight, go for it. Just be sure to make use of Cyrillic script to capture that real early "Soviet Russia" vibe.

(Yes, I know the Valhallans are more Soviet Style, but the script written on the model would be quite appealing I would imagine. )

FM Argos

**Harriticus**

Titans are made on Mechanicus Forge Worlds exclusively. That being said I don't think the Imperium even produces titans anymore.

**Grumblewartz**

It sounds like the fluff has stayed more or less the same. Worlds here and there are producing Titans, although at what rate and what class is still very much in the air. Anyways, back to the OP, 40k is a vast and complex place, I see no reason why you couldn't make a Vostroya themed knight. Perhaps it was an errant knight and it was damaged in a battle, so it was transported to Vostroya as the closest world capable of fixing it...you can see where I am going.

**BrianDavion**

could also be a freeblade whose life was saved by Vostroyains and has thus attached himself to the regiment forevermore to repay the lifedebt

**GoonBandito**

Yeah, your best bet if you want to make it "Lore Friendly" is to have a Freeblade Knight that has repainted the Knight to match Vostroyan colours because of Reasons. The Freeblade Knights are basically the 'make up whatever you want' lore. They are the 'Ronin' if you will, to a Household Knight's 'Samurai'.

Otherwise you either use an Imperial Household Knight (ie a Knight painted in one of the colours from one of the Knight Worlds, that use a very rigid Hierarchy) or paint a Knight from one of the Mechanicus Aligned Households (which also use a very rigid Hierarchy, just with different more Mechanicusy names than Imperial Household Knights). But whichever way you go, Freeblade, Imperial Household or Mechanicus, you are still going to need some sort of tie to the Mechanicus since they are the ones that will have to repair and maintain the Knight.

**Reality-Torrent**

Icculus wrote:
All I know is that in the space marine videogame they were in a Titan Manufactorum where supposedly a titan was made. But perhaps it was just a manufactorum that housed a titan while they made repairs and upgrades.

It never actually said they made it. My guess is it was simply stationed there.

**lcmiracle**

For the OP's benefit:

1. The Knight suits are not produced anymore:

Spoiler:

You read it right -- no more knight suits are being produced, as each is a relic. Although given the Knight worlds' trades with the AdMech, I just assume most of the "destroyed" Knights can be fixed and restored given the correct parts is available.

2. The Martians can provide only technological aids for the Knight Worlds:

Spoiler:

By the wording, it is inferred that Knight Worlds needs the Martians to maintain their suits -- the AdMech is either is incapable or unwilling to produce Knight suits.

3. Vostroya is not a Knight world:
Vostroya is a not a Knight world because it doesn't follow the Knight World's hierarchy -- every knight worlds have very similar command hierarchies in that they are all feudal.
Vostroya is definitely not that:
Because of the Throne Mechanicum's effects, all Knight Worlds follows a almost universal hierachy

Spoiler:

In other words, Vostroya is, at best, an Imperial Industrial world with close tie to the AdMech. So Vostroya would not have its own Knights let alone Knightly Houses.

What you can do if you wish to have a fluff-friendly back-story:
As others have suggested, use Freeblades. Since most Freeblades don't retain their previous Heraldry and markings, some may have adopted the regimental colors after being attached or having fought alongside said regiment for an extended amount of time.

Another option is to have Mechanicus Knights or even Lances attached to Titan Legions (if any) stationed on Vostroya, per Adeptus Mechanicus' request (due to the close ties between the AdMech and Vostroya). And a number of Knights may be sent to cooperate with Vostroyan Regimental operations.

**DorianGray**

lcmiracle wrote:
For the OP's benefit:

1. The Knight suits are not produced anymore:

Spoiler:

Knights are not mere suits of armour or engines of war - each is a relic from a long lost age of technological wonder.
(Codex: Imperial Knights. "The Thorne Mechanicum". 7th edition. p10. print)

You read it right -- no more knight suits are being produced, as each is a relic. Although given the Knight worlds' trades with the AdMech, I just assume most of the "destroyed" Knights can be fixed and restored given the correct parts is available.

2. The Martians can provide only technological aids for the Knight Worlds:

Spoiler:

To one degree or another, every knightly house has ties with the Adeptus Mechanicus, trading their worlds' abundant raw materials for the technical expertise to keep their Knight suits operational.(Codex: Imperial Knights. "Knight Worlds". 7th edition. p12)

By the wording, it is inferred that Knight Worlds needs the Martians to maintain their suits -- the AdMech is either is incapable or unwilling to produce Knight suits.

3. Vostroya is not a Knight world:
Vostroya is a not a Knight world because it doesn't follow the Knight World's hierarchy -- every knight worlds have very similar command hierarchies in that they are all feudal.
Vostroya is definitely not that:
Because of the Throne Mechanicum's effects, all Knight Worlds follows a almost universal hierachy

Spoiler:

Those knightly hosues aligned to the Adeptus Mechanicus are also feudal, and are organised in a manner similar to their Imperial cousins. The ruler of the household is known as a Princeps, and his decree is final. The rank below Princeps is that of Baron, and position within this rank are still hierarchical, based on the individual Barons' influence and battle experience. For his ruling council - also called an Exalted Court - the Princeps will promote four Barons. Known as Barons Prime, these individuals are second in power only to the Princeps himself.
(Codex: Imperial Knights. "Structure of a Mechanicus-Aligned House". 7th edition. p15)

Spoiler:

Vostroya is governed by a ruling oligarchy known collectively as the Techtriarchy. The Techtriarchs comprise a council of native nobility and Adeptus Mechanicus Archmagi, as well as other, more traditional, Imperial planetary nobility and officials, who collectively maintain the ruling council for Vostroya. After millennia of industrial production and unregulated pollution, the planet itself is a barren world devoid of almost any flora and fauna and is now habitable only along a broad stretch of its equatorial belt. This region is divided into 7 administrative regions or "managed zones" where all of Vostroya's hive cities are located.
(Warhammer 40,000 wiki. "Vostroya". web access. 7/20/15)

In other words, Vostroya is, at best, an Imperial Industrial world with close tie to the AdMech. So Vostroya would not have its own Knights let alone Knightly Houses.

What you can do if you wish to have a fluff-friendly back-story:
As others have suggested, use Freeblades. Since most Freeblades don't retain their previous Heraldry and markings, some may have adopted the regimental colors after being attached or having fought alongside said regiment for an extended amount of time.

Another option is to have Mechanicus Knights or even Lances attached to Titan Legions (if any) stationed on Vostroya, per Adeptus Mechanicus' request (due to the close ties between the AdMech and Vostroya). And a number of Knights may be sent to cooperate with Vostroyan Regimental operations.

Thank you! This guy deserves positive reputation.

**Reality-Torrent**

BrianDavion wrote:
DorianGray wrote:
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Knight_Worlds

Hm, Vostroya is not listed on here.

But these primitive Knight Worlds are mining/agricultural planets that ship food/ore to the actual ForgeWorlds.

The actual Imperial Knights are made in the Forge World's themselves and shipped over to these Knight Planets.

Of course then they would be painted in those Knight World's colours. The only fluffy way I could do this is find the Knight World close to Vostroya in segmentum Obsurus and paint it in their colours.

Seems ridiculous that the actual ForgeWorlds that make the Imperial Knights don't run/man them themselves. If 100s of Knights constructs are made on Vostroya why are ALL of them shipped to some feudalistic primitive human planet only so they can be "cool" again and duel in the giant Knight Robots?

Then you have to ask for permission have these planets "loan" their stupid Knights to you to use in campaigns when the ForgeWorlds are the one who constructed them in the first place.

What god-awefull terrible fluff. Way to go GW. slowed.

except that's not the case. AT ALL. First of all, some forge worlds may well have their own Knights ,we know Mars maintains it's own Knight House for example. Secondly NO WHERE does it say that the admech even PRODUCES Imperial Knights. Every bit of fluff implies that Knights are ancient relics, handed down over millienia. the Admech suplies maintaince training, (and sometimes rare spare parts) these are very very differnt animals then making an entirely new Knight. Why is this expertise provided? because Knight worlds have something the admech want. it's typical politics. nothings free.

This is not true. In Fallen Angels by Mike Lee, page 263, it is clearly stated that the Titan facilities were capable of building up to three Titans at a time.

**dusara217**

Reality-Torrent wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
DorianGray wrote:
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Knight_Worlds

Hm, Vostroya is not listed on here.

But these primitive Knight Worlds are mining/agricultural planets that ship food/ore to the actual ForgeWorlds.

The actual Imperial Knights are made in the Forge World's themselves and shipped over to these Knight Planets.

Of course then they would be painted in those Knight World's colours. The only fluffy way I could do this is find the Knight World close to Vostroya in segmentum Obsurus and paint it in their colours.

Seems ridiculous that the actual ForgeWorlds that make the Imperial Knights don't run/man them themselves. If 100s of Knights constructs are made on Vostroya why are ALL of them shipped to some feudalistic primitive human planet only so they can be "cool" again and duel in the giant Knight Robots?

Then you have to ask for permission have these planets "loan" their stupid Knights to you to use in campaigns when the ForgeWorlds are the one who constructed them in the first place.

What god-awefull terrible fluff. Way to go GW. slowed.

except that's not the case. AT ALL. First of all, some forge worlds may well have their own Knights ,we know Mars maintains it's own Knight House for example. Secondly NO WHERE does it say that the admech even PRODUCES Imperial Knights. Every bit of fluff implies that Knights are ancient relics, handed down over millienia. the Admech suplies maintaince training, (and sometimes rare spare parts) these are very very differnt animals then making an entirely new Knight. Why is this expertise provided? because Knight worlds have something the admech want. it's typical politics. nothings free.

This is not true. In Fallen Angels by Mike Lee, page 263, it is clearly stated that the Titan facilities were capable of building up to three Titans at a time.

That was pre-Heresy. In Mechanicum, they talk about how one of the Titan Legios built an Imperator Titan, but, right around the last hundred pages or so, all of Mars erupted in Civil War, and virtually all of the previous production facitlities and massive amounts of technology were lost in the combat - things which could never be replaced in ten thousand years. The Titan Facilities are the same way, and most of the STCs for building the Titans have been lost. Hence the Titans being ancient relics, as, even when new Titans are produced, they stay around for thousands of years, and they are only produced every couple of centuries due to the limited industrial capacity of the IoM.