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Hello my fellow wargamers,
So, I'm having a bit of trouble with taking out the Helbrute in the Dark Vengeance set. My opponents (read: sisters) always deploy him at the very back so it's a pain to try and deep-strike the Terminators behind him (which is the only way I've been able to destroy him so far.) What should I do?

Are you only playing with the models in the box?

I could be mistaken because I haven't played for a while, but both the tac squad and the bike squad have plasma weapons that should be able to hit him. The plasma cannon in particular should do the job?

Yes, I'm only playing with the models in the box and I haven't tried plasma on him yet. I'll do a quick mock game and give it a go.

Use the Ravenwing bikers. One of them has a Plasmagun. You should be able to get pretty close between a 12" Scout move, a 12" move, and 24" weapons, you should be able to get pretty close to the target. Just deploy on the edge of your deployment zone, then scout forward 12", move 12" forward during your movement phase, and then get pretty close to the Helbrute's position. Aim for the side armor.

I don't know how you are having issues with the Terminators though. If you are just playing using the rules of DV, you should be able to plop the Terminators down in range of the Assault Cannon so you can hit side armor and let Rending chip away at the hull points.

The Tactical squad has a lot of plasma weaponry, but you are going to have a bit of a hard time getting them in range.

OK, I just tried it out and yes, all the plasma weapons can defeat him. Thanks for the help, guys!

Hellbrute goes down in assault vs tac squad using Krak grenades also.

Alternatively you charge the terminators at the hellbrute and let him snack on chainfist and power fists until he is reduced to goo. At most the hellbrute will kill one before the deathwing get to attack and then he's sunk the rest will charge and he will get spoon fed s8 ap2 and s8 ap2 armorbane till he melts to goo.

The hellbrute is a short ranged anti tank hunter not a melee fighter or a ranged anti infantry unit by trade. Yes he has a power fist too but he has low I so he gets steamrolled by anyone with weapons as good or better than his with higher I.

Don't forget, you glance him on 6-s in mellee due to krak nades.

Alternatively, ignore him.

I know that sounds odd, but if he's deploying 'right at the back', then his only contribution to the battle is one multimelta shot a turn.

If the Dark Angels deploy in cover on their half of the board, they can quickly butcher anything the Crimson Slaughter can throw at them - cultists go down to bolter fire in droves, and whilst chosen are lethal in combat there are five of them (well, six if you've got the nutter with the axe) and unlike the Terminators they're still only in Power Armour.

If you stand back, and they stand back, you're winning, because you have much better long-ranged firepower than they do. If they don't throw the Helbrute forwards to draw fire, flatten the rest of their army. If they do, then you can drop the deathwing or ravenwing in behind it to shoot at its rear armour.

Also the game mode that we normally play gives VP for every unit destroyed, and the Helbrute is worth 2. I find that worth the trouble of taking him out, even if he is at the back.

 koooaei wrote:
Don't forget, you glance him on 6-s in mellee due to krak nades.

What is a Helbrute's rear armor? I thought they were AV10 rear, so you could glance on 4s, pen on 5s.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 koooaei wrote:
Don't forget, you glance him on 6-s in mellee due to krak nades.

What is a Helbrute's rear armor? I thought they were AV10 rear, so you could glance on 4s, pen on 5s.

You fight walkers against their front armor in close combat.

A hellbrutes rear AV is 10 and SM plasma is str 7? so should glance him on 3's and pen on 4's correct?

Side armor you need 5's and 6's.

Or have I been playing Tau to long and is all plasma str 6??


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 CrownAxe wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 koooaei wrote:
Don't forget, you glance him on 6-s in mellee due to krak nades.

What is a Helbrute's rear armor? I thought they were AV10 rear, so you could glance on 4s, pen on 5s.

You fight walkers against their front armor in close combat.

Unless they are immobilized.

 CrownAxe wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 koooaei wrote:
Don't forget, you glance him on 6-s in mellee due to krak nades.

What is a Helbrute's rear armor? I thought they were AV10 rear, so you could glance on 4s, pen on 5s.

You fight walkers against their front armor in close combat.

*sigh* Don't mind me. I need to brush up on my walker rules.