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2015/07/18 03:59:19
Subject: when do you get a kill pt for models like celstine or yarrick?
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Lieutenant Colonel
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I swear there used to be a FAQ on this,
so yarrick and celestine, maybe another character or two, have rules to the effect that the next turn of the owning player they get to roll some dice to see if they come back a live.
question is, when do you score kill points for them?
say on the last turn you kill celestine/yarrick, the opponent has no chance to roll to bring them back as the game is over. would you just get a KP at that point?
I heard some want no KP to be awarded till after they fail their special roll to come back, others state you get a KP each time you take them down.
what do you all think?
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2015/07/18 07:00:32
Subject: when do you get a kill pt for models like celstine or yarrick?
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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When they're removed from the table. Until then they are not considered dead. Just like necrons.
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Although, downed on the last turn with no chance of revival should confer a KP.
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2015/07/18 09:42:48
Subject: when do you get a kill pt for models like celstine or yarrick?
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Deranged Necron Destroyer
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St celestine's act of faith has a special mention in her rule.
last sentence "If Saint Celestine is your Warlord, her martydom special rule will only take effect, and she will only award victory points for objectives such as "slay the Warlord', if she fails her Act of Faith test or if she has been removed as a casualty for the second time."
If she hasn't died before, and it is bottom of the final turn and she dies she won't award a point for slay the warlord since she didn't have a chance to fail her Act of faith and wasn't killed a 2nd time.
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It's easy to assume that people arguing an interpretation you disagree with are just looking for an advantage for themselves... But it's quite often not the case. |
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2015/07/18 13:15:39
Subject: when do you get a kill pt for models like celstine or yarrick?
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
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Well, first off kp no longer exist. There is only vps now.
Vps are awarded at the end of the game for a warlord removed as a casualty.
For celestine: she is removed as a casualty, and is incapable of returning due to end of game; but her act of faith specifies thatshe is not worth a slay the warlord vp until second destruction if she is successful in her act.
Purge the alien grants vps for units completely destroyed, falling back(and summarily removed), and not on the table at the end of the game: celestine and yarrik are both worth vps there.
The tactical objectives that grant vps depend. The purge types require "completely destroyed" units in various phases(which is questionable/debatable, especially when these characters are joined to other units).
The annihilation tac obs only require "removed as a casualty", so even celestine's denile of vps bit in her rules do not prevent this one(it is super-specific, and on top of that only has any effect if she is warlord).
I will double check yarrick when i get a chance, i don't have the guard dex on my phone.
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This is my Rulebook. There are many Like it, but this one is mine. Without me, my rulebook is useless. Without my rulebook, I am useless.
Stop looking for buzz words and start reading the whole sentences.
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2015/07/18 19:45:08
Subject: when do you get a kill pt for models like celstine or yarrick?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Question about Celestine - isn't her Act of Faith used as soon as she's removed as a casualty - meaning if she dies the first time on the last turn, even in the Assault phase, there is still a chance to attempt her Act.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2015/07/18 20:05:59
Subject: when do you get a kill pt for models like celstine or yarrick?
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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 Happyjew wrote:Question about Celestine - isn't her Act of Faith used as soon as she's removed as a casualty - meaning if she dies the first time on the last turn, even in the Assault phase, there is still a chance to attempt her Act.
It's the beginning of the your next player turn. And it is voluntary. You can completely deny STW by not choosing to use her AoF.
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2015/07/18 22:57:30
Subject: Re:when do you get a kill pt for models like celstine or yarrick?
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Preacher of the Emperor
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I never really thought about, but I wonder if the loophole would deny First Blood too?
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2015/07/18 23:48:09
Subject: Re:when do you get a kill pt for models like celstine or yarrick?
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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 deviantduck wrote:I never really thought about, but I wonder if the loophole would deny First Blood too?
Yes, it would go to the second model killed.
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2015/07/19 07:51:41
Subject: when do you get a kill pt for models like celstine or yarrick?
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
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 pretre wrote: Happyjew wrote:Question about Celestine - isn't her Act of Faith used as soon as she's removed as a casualty - meaning if she dies the first time on the last turn, even in the Assault phase, there is still a chance to attempt her Act.
It's the beginning of the your next player turn. And it is voluntary. You can completely deny STW by not choosing to use her AoF.
No her aof us used or not used automatically.
And not useing her act of faith in no way denies stw, that last sentence is only on a successful test for aof.
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This is my Rulebook. There are many Like it, but this one is mine. Without me, my rulebook is useless. Without my rulebook, I am useless.
Stop looking for buzz words and start reading the whole sentences.
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2015/07/19 10:17:55
Subject: when do you get a kill pt for models like celstine or yarrick?
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Deranged Necron Destroyer
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 Kommissar Kel wrote: pretre wrote: Happyjew wrote:Question about Celestine - isn't her Act of Faith used as soon as she's removed as a casualty - meaning if she dies the first time on the last turn, even in the Assault phase, there is still a chance to attempt her Act.
It's the beginning of the your next player turn. And it is voluntary. You can completely deny STW by not choosing to use her AoF.
No her aof us used or not used automatically.
And not useing her act of faith in no way denies stw, that last sentence is only on a successful test for aof.
More specifically it is for a failed test or removed for a 2nd time.
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It's easy to assume that people arguing an interpretation you disagree with are just looking for an advantage for themselves... But it's quite often not the case. |
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2015/07/19 15:18:45
Subject: when do you get a kill pt for models like celstine or yarrick?
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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Here it is: A unit with the Act of Faith special rule can attempt to use its Act of Faith immediately
before it acts during a phase; i.e. immediately before the unit moves in the Movement
phase, shoots (or runs) in the Shooting phase, or strikes blows in the Assault phase. To do
so, the unit must take a Leadership test.
Notice there is no requirement to use it. Units CAN use their acts of faith. It never says must. Miraculous Intervention: Not even death can stop the Emperor’s chosen servants,
and through his benevolence they rise again to serve the Master of Mankind’s will.
One use only. Unlike other Acts of Faith, Miraculous Intervention can only be used the
first time Saint Celestine is removed as a casualty. This Act of Faith can even be used if
her unit used another Act of Faith during the same phase. If successful, leave a suitable
counter on the spot where Saint Celestine ‘died’. At the start of your next turn, place Saint
Celestine back on the battlefield, all her Wounds restored, within 1" of the counter. If
Saint Celestine would be placed within 1" of another model, move her by the minimum
possible distance so that she is no longer within 1”. Saint Celestine can act normally in a
turn in which she ‘resurrects’. If Saint Celestine is your Warlord, her Martyrdom special
rule will only take effect, and she will only award Victory Points for objectives such as
‘Slay the Warlord’, if she fails her Act of Faith test or if she has been removed as a
casualty for the second time.
Again, no requirement to use it. 'Can be used'. No must in that paragraph. As for STW, note that she only gives up STW / VP if she FAILS her act of faith or dies a second time. So you CAN roll her AOF, but don't have to. If you don't roll it, she doesn't give up STW.
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