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Considering this entire hobby is pretty much composed of the arts (painting, sculpting, writing, history, etc), you seem to have picked the wrong hobby to like. Maybe you just like it because of GW's financial statements or calculating the tensile strength of plastic swords.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
What the feth is liberal arts studies?

In general, I just referred to everyone studying artsy-fartsy stuff that gets you nowhere in life. Stuff like language majors, culture studies, history studies, gender studies etc.

Stuff that gets you nowhere? What you refer to is the backbone of human civilization and culture!

Yeah, but a liberal arts degree is less marketable than a science or business degree, therefore making it "useless" and a waste of time.

Never mind a lot of the entertainment we enjoy is brought to us by those very same "nowhere in life" liberal arts majors.

The biggest problem with Liberal Arts majors is that there are way more graduates than there are jobs for them. So the odds for these graduates is that they did indeed waste their time, relative to other degrees which have demand being greater than supply.

We basically have the situation where we have 10 graduates but only 2 jobs.

Except that canard is simply not true: http://www.studentsreview.com/unemployment_by_major.php3

Math majors have higher unemployment rates than language studies majors.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
What the feth is liberal arts studies?

Its the degree you get while working at Starbucks. Once you graduate you get to work for...Starbucks.

Or you become a teacher and spend your life educating young minds and enjoying your summers at the beach or painting miniatures and laughing at people who are so delusional to think they have more "real" jobs that give them high stress levels.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
What the feth is liberal arts studies?

In general, I just referred to everyone studying artsy-fartsy stuff that gets you nowhere in life. Stuff like language majors, culture studies, history studies, gender studies etc.

Stuff that gets you nowhere? What you refer to is the backbone of human civilization and culture!

Yeah, but a liberal arts degree is less marketable than a science or business degree, therefore making it "useless" and a waste of time.

Never mind a lot of the entertainment we enjoy is brought to us by those very same "nowhere in life" liberal arts majors.

The biggest problem with Liberal Arts majors is that there are way more graduates than there are jobs for them. So the odds for these graduates is that they did indeed waste their time, relative to other degrees which have demand being greater than supply.

We basically have the situation where we have 10 graduates but only 2 jobs.

Except that canard is simply not true: http://www.studentsreview.com/unemployment_by_major.php3

Math majors have higher unemployment rates than language studies majors.

I would say that is because Language Studies is an exception as it is useful as a translator. Gender Studies, 16th Century Artwork, etc... not so much.

Didn't bother to actually look at the statistics, did you?


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 Frazzled wrote:

Math majors have higher unemployment rates than language studies majors.

Keep believing that.

One would think someone extolling the virtues of the hard sciences would be able to read basic statistical studies...

 Frazzled wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
What the feth is liberal arts studies?

Its the degree you get while working at Starbucks. Once you graduate you get to work for...Starbucks.

Or you become a teacher and spend your life educating young minds and enjoying your summers at the beach or painting miniatures and laughing at people who are so delusional to think they have more "real" jobs that give them high stress levels.

1. I hate kids like the white hot heat of a thousand sons. Thats not going to happen.
2. You have to have a teaching degree and certification for that. Unless you have that your argument is incorrect.

Actually, strangely, you don't need certification or a teaching degree to teach at the college level.

 Grey Templar wrote:
I did. Art is at 13.2% unemployment. Math is only 6.5%. Cultures and Civilization is 12%.

My point was that it isn't so black and white to say that liberal art degrees automatically lead to unemployment in their chosen field at a rate higher than sciences as your claim seemed to indicate. It varies with the specific field. (Animal studies is 14.7% for example).

 Desubot wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:

Actually, strangely, you don't need certification or a teaching degree to teach at the college level.

And that sometimes becomes PAINFULLY obvious.

Well thats news to me. Though not saying anyone without credentials are horrible teachers but with the amount money being dumped to go to college + you would figure accredited teachers would be a big deal. (There is knowing your field, and then there is the ablity to teach it yaknow?)

Oh, I totally agree there. But just from knowing how the certification training is done here and what is taught in Ed. Dev. classes, that itself doesn't produce good teachers either. My best teachers were the ones who absolutely loved their subject matter, and as a result, knew it inside out, not the ones most deeply steeped in tautological theory.

"I know. My boy is a TA (or will be in the fall). He doesn't even have a degree yet. But he's a presenter at Mathfest next week. In your face Slovenia!" Good for him Frazz, I hope he enjoys it.