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I hear that it is actually selling well, and although I think the new fluff is absolutely wretched, I am really tempted to give this a go with my daemons of Chaos models. I'm not buying new-scale models though, if I want to play Space Marines I'll buy 40K.

If Slaanesh has been captured by the Elves (how do you capture a God and what are the other Powers doing about it -- aren't they miffed at this affront to their superiority? he is their brother after all), what happens to Slaanesh models?

Are there rules for all of the Warhammer product lines?

Slaanesh gorged it's self on the souls of the World-That-Was and become bloated. Teclis and another elf were elevated to godhood. The two new elven gods captured Slaanesh it's it's weakened state and trapped it. That was partially a trick from Tzeentch, because they were supposed to turn Slaanesh over Sigmar.

Slaanesh's followers are hunting for him/it and are still in the game.

There's rules are ALL the product lines. You can get them on the GW website as free PDFS. Also the various terrain pieces have rules too that benefit various different armies.

Thanks for the head-up, I'm keen to see just how good or bad my Nurgle daemons are now.

I reckon Slaanesh has always been short-changed by the GW, they just don't seem to support him and gamers don't seem to use Slaanesh models (since Khorne are more killy, Nurgle are much harder to kill and Tzeentch use magic).

It's worse in 40K though - what would you rather have on a daemon prince between rage/counterattack, or +1 Initiative?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/656730.page

Ah, cheers mate, I couldn't find that thread.

I think threre's an initial fall out of people who feel unappreciated so they're not getting the new models.

We'll see how long that lasts when GW starts putting out things that aren't Khorne and Sigmar.... that happen to look completely awesome. THEN we'll getting the bigger picture.

I know now that I'm in the market for those big Nurgle dudes and the new Bloodletter because of Sigmar. I was going to get rid of my Chaos Marine army but decided to keep it and add to it because of the fantasy stuff coming out I can cross over with now. Beastmen and zombie cultists on round bases to use in either system is a win.

I hope AoS dies big time and GW ditches fantasy for good.

Dedicates more money into 40k and relaunches Battlefleet Gothic and make LotR their main fantasy game with a relaunch.

 Moopy wrote:
I think threre's an initial fall out of people who feel unappreciated so they're not getting the new models.

We'll see how long that lasts when GW starts putting out things that aren't Khorne and Sigmar.... that happen to look completely awesome. THEN we'll getting the bigger picture.

Funny my experience has been the opposite; loads of people buying the starter or some of the initial kits for conversions and being really enthusiastic(often that super OTT Stockholm Syndrome style of enthusiasm ), but becoming more and more dismayed with the shallowness & imbalance of the rules as things go on.

I suspect we won't see some big dramatic outcome either way, GW will get a big chunk of change from the starter and Sigmarines, and then over a few months it will drop back to exactly the same kind of position WHFB was in; whether you can get a game or not will vary wildly based on your local area, but more often than not it won't be actively played(ie you could arrange a game in advance but it won't be what you see on the tables when you walk into a store/club), and sales of models will be from diehard AoS players, painters, and folk looking for 40K/INQ28 conversion-fodder.

What GW will do then I have no idea; pull a "New Coke" style reversal? Blow up AoS and bring out some new monstrosity targeted even more narrowly? Finally learn from their mistakes and re-engage with their customers to figure out a way forward that benefits everyo...buahahahah, sorry, couldn't even finish that.

DorianGray wrote:
I hope AoS dies big time and GW ditches fantasy for good.

Dedicates more money into 40k and relaunches Battlefleet Gothic and make LotR their main fantasy game with a relaunch.

LotR is dead and so is BFG. The former was only relatively successful due to the film trilogy being out at the time. The latter is now being made into a video game (which looks pretty spectacular in all honesty)

40K (and now 30K) are getting a hell of a lot of love from GW.

DorianGray wrote:
I hope AoS dies big time and GW ditches fantasy for good.

Dedicates more money into 40k and relaunches Battlefleet Gothic and make LotR their main fantasy game with a relaunch.

If AoS dies that might ditch fantasy for good, but the BFG and LotR stuff is just fantasy (of a different kind).

They killed LotR pretty effectively with the Hobbit Price hike, and it's popularity had dropped pretty significantly after the initial movies faded - and their support dropped pretty significantly as well, to the current nothing. I'm still in the process of buying the "last" LotR models that I want to get before GW ditch the Tolkien licences. I think we've got another 18 or so months? Heard the current extension expires in 2017, but not sure when in 2017, or if it's a Jan 01 kind of deal - and even so, it doesn't mean everything current will stay available until then.

BFG looks like it might actually be made into a good computer game. Let's hope.

DorianGray wrote:
I hope AoS dies big time and GW ditches fantasy for good.

Dedicates more money into 40k and relaunches Battlefleet Gothic and make LotR their main fantasy game with a relaunch.

I hope GW destroys the 40k game and goes back to their roots with a game that actually required skill to play, not just win by getting the first round of shooting.
Got anymore comments that piss on a game other people enjoy?

DorianGray wrote:
I hope AoS dies big time and GW ditches fantasy for good.

Dedicates more money into 40k and relaunches Battlefleet Gothic and make LotR their main fantasy game with a relaunch.

The former is quite possible but the latter isn't going to happen.

Andy Chambers is writing a Space fleet combat game for Hawkwargames (Dropfleet Commander) which is due to be released at the end of the year/start of next year so maybe a BFG replacement isn't that far away

 timetowaste85 wrote:

I hope GW destroys the 40k game and goes back to their roots with a game that actually required skill to play, not just win by getting the first round of shooting.

Actually I would like to see 40k completely rebuilt as a real skirmish game like it was designed to be. That isn't going to be happening to the golden cash cow unfortunately, no matter how good it would be for the game.

 Silent Puffin? wrote:

Andy Chambers is writing a Space fleet combat game for Hawkwargames (Dropfleet Commander) which is due to be released at the end of the year/start of next year so maybe a BFG replacement isn't that far away

Surely he hasn't got a snowball's chance in hell against Star Wars Armada? The only "weakness" that game has is the almost total lack of a modelling/painting aspect. However, youngsters today mostly don't want to spend hours painting up models, they just love the superbly finished ones right out of the box. (Hint to GW ! )

 marlowc wrote:

 Silent Puffin? wrote:

Andy Chambers is writing a Space fleet combat game for Hawkwargames (Dropfleet Commander) which is due to be released at the end of the year/start of next year so maybe a BFG replacement isn't that far away

Surely he hasn't got a snowball's chance in hell against Star Wars Armada? The only "weakness" that game has is the almost total lack of a modelling/painting aspect. However, youngsters today mostly don't want to spend hours painting up models, they just love the superbly finished ones right out of the box. (Hint to GW ! )

For better or worse, Dropfleet Commander has been said to not actually be a Space Fleet Combat game.

From the interviews/previews we've seen, it's actually played in orbit of a planet, with the game-area representing roughly the surface of a larger EU country or US state (France, Texas, etc..), with game play revolving around "dropping" units to the surface to hold cities, etc.. There'll be different layers/altitudes, with ships going "down" into the upper atmosphere being slowed and more vulnerable (but needing to go there to drop orbital insertion stuff/drop ships, etc..) and ships in higher altitude/orbit having the advantages in combat/maneuvering.

There's also been talk of some nice "submarine-warfare"-style mechanics, with targeting/shooting based on a "EM/Heat/Profile-Signature", rather than range/LoS. Ships doing lots of shooting, maneouvering, etc.. get a "high signature" and are easier to hit in turn. Ships that stay "quiet" are harder to target and shoot.

All in all, I think it sounds novel and different enough to sit alongside Armada's, Halo's, BFG's etc.. more naval-literal/fire-broadsides/Pirates-of-the-Caribbean/Master-and-Commander-style-approach to game-play and be it's own kinda game with a more "techy" feel and more objective-based dynamics. Campaign/tie-in possibilities with Dropzone Commander are also obvious.

DorianGray wrote:
I hope AoS dies big time and GW ditches fantasy for good.

Dedicates more money into 40k and relaunches Battlefleet Gothic and make LotR their main fantasy game with a relaunch.

Yea, heaven forbid you can't have two multiple systems going along at the same time to suit different peoples tastes.

Troll.

Wonderwolf wrote:

 marlowc wrote:

 Silent Puffin? wrote:

Andy Chambers is writing a Space fleet combat game for Hawkwargames (Dropfleet Commander) which is due to be released at the end of the year/start of next year so maybe a BFG replacement isn't that far away

Surely he hasn't got a snowball's chance in hell against Star Wars Armada? The only "weakness" that game has is the almost total lack of a modelling/painting aspect. However, youngsters today mostly don't want to spend hours painting up models, they just love the superbly finished ones right out of the box. (Hint to GW ! )

For better or worse, Dropfleet Commander has been said to not actually be a Space Fleet Combat game.

From the interviews/previews we've seen, it's actually played in orbit of a planet, with the game-area representing roughly the surface of a larger EU country or US state (France, Texas, etc..), with game play revolving around "dropping" units to the surface to hold cities, etc.. There'll be different layers/altitudes, with ships going "down" into the upper atmosphere being slowed and more vulnerable (but needing to go there to drop orbital insertion stuff/drop ships, etc..) and ships in higher altitude/orbit having the advantages in combat/maneuvering.

There's also been talk of some nice "submarine-warfare"-style mechanics, with targeting/shooting based on a "EM/Heat/Profile-Signature", rather than range/LoS. Ships doing lots of shooting, maneouvering, etc.. get a "high signature" and are easier to hit in turn. Ships that stay "quiet" are harder to target and shoot.

All in all, I think it sounds novel and different enough to sit alongside Armada's, Halo's, BFG's etc.. more naval-literal/fire-broadsides/Pirates-of-the-Caribbean/Master-and-Commander-style-approach to game-play and be it's own kinda game with a more "techy" feel and more objective-based dynamics. Campaign/tie-in possibilities with Dropzone Commander are also obvious.

Thanks for that, the game sounds very interesting.