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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/03 10:28:10
Subject: What now for the Old World?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Now that the initial controversy over the rules seems to be largely resolved, or at least polarised into two opposing camps, I'm keen to know what level of support (if any!) people think GW are going to give to the Old World?
The setting seems too good, and too big to just fade away. I for one see the new Realms reality as merely the next chapter in the history of the Old World.
It doesn't signify the end of gaming in the Dwarf holds of the worlds edge mountains, any more than WW2 means that Napoleonic, and American Civil War games have to have tanks and aircraft from now on, does it.
The forthcoming release of Total War Warhammer on the pc will surely bring fresh hordes knocking on GW's door asking about the Old World - what are they going to find?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/03 23:16:57
Subject: What now for the Old World?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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marlowc wrote:The forthcoming release of Total War Warhammer on the pc will surely bring fresh hordes knocking on GW's door asking about the Old World - what are they going to find?
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He Who Controls The Dice Controls The Universe
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/04 04:27:18
Subject: What now for the Old World?
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Nervous Hellblaster Crewman
The burnt out shell of Hochland.
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So true
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Fer da Emprah! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/04 08:20:45
Subject: What now for the Old World?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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WarAngel wrote: marlowc wrote:The forthcoming release of Total War Warhammer on the pc will surely bring fresh hordes knocking on GW's door asking about the Old World - what are they going to find?

That rifle really is in amazingly good condition isn't it - saw service in Korea I believe. Hopefully, even GW aren't crazy enough to treat customers this way!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/04 22:07:18
Subject: What now for the Old World?
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Nervous Hellblaster Crewman
The burnt out shell of Hochland.
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Wouldn't put it past them.
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Fer da Emprah! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/04 22:29:19
Subject: What now for the Old World?
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Do you not think the timing of warhammer total war and AoS is significant? They will have sold 'the old world' to the games developer, which is why it is now referred to as 'the world that was'. If gw get any queries about it, it's most likely not theirs anymore, so they won't say anything.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/04 22:44:12
Subject: What now for the Old World?
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Ghastly Grave Guard
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Sweet, sweet oblivion. That's all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/04 22:52:49
Subject: What now for the Old World?
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Apprehensive Inquisitorial Apprentice
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I don't think GW actually cares about video games, hell they created Blizzards starcraft dominance thanks to hating on game devs. Gw likes making money, they honestly don't care about the players. If lots of people show up liking the fantasy world they'll simply sell them AoS or they won't care.
It'll be even more confusing when they phase out all the old models for the larger newer ones and the race names. I can see it now 6 years later after the new expansion release for the game some kid will be like "What the hell is an ork warboss?"
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lest he be angry, and you perish in the way,
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/05 07:42:24
Subject: What now for the Old World?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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JamesY wrote:Do you not think the timing of warhammer total war and AoS is significant? They will have sold 'the old world' to the games developer, which is why it is now referred to as 'the world that was'. If gw get any queries about it, it's most likely not theirs anymore, so they won't say anything.
I don't think there's any conspiracy about the timing of the release of TWW, but I'm puzzled as to why it has taken them so long to allow a pc game in the Old World given the success of the Dawn of War series.
Hopefully, they will come to treat the Realms setting as just the next chapter in history, and continue to produce fluff / scenario books set in the earlier times.
However, there certainly does seem to be the possibility that the Old World will get the "specialist games" treatment and be allowed to fade away
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/05 07:52:54
Subject: What now for the Old World?
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Ghastly Grave Guard
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The old world is dead, gone. GW will rarely mention it ever again, certainly won't make fluff or scenarios for it
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/05 09:32:27
Subject: What now for the Old World?
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Motograter wrote:The old world is dead, gone. GW will rarely mention it ever again, certainly won't make fluff or scenarios for it
Based on past performance that's certainly what you'd expect isn't it. But do you not think this new boss is a sea change for the company? I mean, free downloadable pdfs !! Rules that fit on a cereal box !!
This is all pretty radical isn't it, perhaps GW are going to stop being their own worst enemy, stop ignoring their customers, and associated moneymaking business opportunities.
(No, you're right - shoot me now. I've obviously wandered into a realm of delusional madness.... )
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/05 10:35:14
Subject: What now for the Old World?
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I think this is a very smart question. I wish I had an equally clever answer, but I don't think I do, so I'll just give my honest one.
1st, I actually agree with the above, but most of all with the question itself. IMHO, the re-branding of Games Workshop stores to Warhammer stores is a strategic choice that I have to admit was a very clever IDEA. Looking at last year's annual report, they actually line-item'd royalty and licensing (to video games, FFG, etc.) Now, that's just a fee GW gets, a PORTION of the video game sales, but considering IIRC that royalty made up about a fifth or a quarter of their overall revenue, it suggests there's a new wave of players finding out about Warhammer for the 1st time, not from shops or friends or people in the Hobby, but from the video games. Thus, video games are NOT just a royalty and licensing business, it's also a form of advertising for them! It's like getting paid (instead of paying) to advertise your own product.
(Example - a friend from my FLGS told me this hilarious story. He was playing Dawn of War with some strangers on the Internet, then just mentioned the tabletop game. One of the other players was really excited, and actually asked, "There's a tabletop version of 40k? WHEN IS IT COMING OUT?" lol )
2nd, to my prediction. I think GW staff will be given a prep Q&A on this, as part of normal retailer training. I think they will be briefed that Age of Sigmar is like the new & improved version of the Old World, that the story had advanced. Now, the video games Dawn of War, its sequel, Space Marine all take part in alternate versions of the main 40k world, but the difference between the Old World and AoS is much larger, I realise that. That's why I think the "plot advancement" angle is more palatable. For those of us that knew the Old World, of the Skaven lived under the Empire's very cities, Gortrek & Felix, the lore...WE know that's ridiculous. New players? They do NOT.
(Example in other mediums - this is actually happening in the comic book industry. The Marvel and DC films renewed AND generated a lot of interest in their source material, comic books. People go into comic stores, expecting to read about Robert Downing Jr., but notice the comic book universe is very different than that of the films. Not every new fan will like it, but still they represent a glut of new business. I don't know exactly how much, but the best proof is something like Spider-Gwen, a series based around Gwen Stacy from Sony's Spiderman films. It's been a regular top ten monthly series for a character that died before most of us were born, only revived through film.)
This is an important question and one really worth looking at. When I 1st saw the Storm Celestials, the impression I got was they looked like something from a video game, like Diablo or Darksiders or something.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/05 11:59:06
Subject: What now for the Old World?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Kommissar Waaaghrick wrote:
2nd, to my prediction. I think GW staff will be given a prep Q&A on this, as part of normal retailer training. I think they will be briefed that Age of Sigmar is like the new & improved version of the Old World, that the story had advanced. Now, the video games Dawn of War, its sequel, Space Marine all take part in alternate versions of the main 40k world, but the difference between the Old World and AoS is much larger, I realise that. That's why I think the "plot advancement" angle is more palatable. For those of us that knew the Old World, of the Skaven lived under the Empire's very cities, Gortrek & Felix, the lore... WE know that's ridiculous. New players? They do NOT.
Yes, that would make sense, however I don't see the problem with treating the end times as just the next chapter in the History of the Old World, which is still an excellent games setting.
I don't play much 40K these days, but friends that do are on about "30K", which is something to do with the Horus Heresy I think? They are perfectly happy to set their games in an earlier epoch of the much-loved 40K universe.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/05 15:55:20
Subject: What now for the Old World?
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Stubborn Prosecutor
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marlowc wrote:Now that the initial controversy over the rules seems to be largely resolved, or at least polarised into two opposing camps, I'm keen to know what level of support (if any!) people think GW are going to give to the Old World?
This may just be the conspiracy theorist in me coming out, but since GW is on this 2 year cycle with 40K maybe they will apply it to Fantasy. Push AoS for 2 years then make it all a dream and release WHF 9th. At that point lots of people would have sold their stuff off and would have to buy in all over again. AoS could literally be a filler to relaunch in 2 years, but that would be devious and we all know GW would never do anything like that
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/05 16:24:49
Subject: Re:What now for the Old World?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Motograter wrote:The old world is dead, gone. GW will rarely mention it ever again, certainly won't make fluff or scenarios for it
I have some material from the good old days of White Dwarf so at least there's that. Now I just have to find the stuff.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/05 20:07:03
Subject: Re:What now for the Old World?
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WarAngel wrote: Motograter wrote:The old world is dead, gone. GW will rarely mention it ever again, certainly won't make fluff or scenarios for it
I have some material from the good old days of White Dwarf so at least there's that. Now I just have to find the stuff.
You can pick up the very old army books off ebay for a song, they're a great source of scenarios and background fluff.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/06 19:23:47
Subject: What now for the Old World?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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marlowc wrote:Yes, that would make sense, however I don't see the problem with treating the end times as just the next chapter in the History of the Old World, which is still an excellent games setting.
I don't play much 40K these days, but friends that do are on about "30K", which is something to do with the Horus Heresy I think? They are perfectly happy to set their games in an earlier epoch of the much-loved 40K universe.
That is, in fact, a far better comparison. Yes, now that you mention it, I can totally see the Old World as 30k for AoS. 30k has really gained traction in our FLGS, without much support from the FLGS itself as the books and models come directly from Forgeworld, so I can totally envision this now.
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