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I started out playing with them, then stopped playing them. I just felt the wizkids had some kind of hate on them, they seemed to be obbsessed with B'rels. They have only one good secondary weapony (BOF) and the others are a joke, PSF is good but other tech is ehh, the sensor echo tricks are cool , and a few captians that are action maximizers. Now with the T'ong im thinking of going back to my roots. Im hoping the Rotasha will have a worthy secondary weapon and tech ooooh yeah another B'rel.

Vor'cha-26
K'Temoc-3
Cloaking Mine-2

31

Vor'cha-26
Kargen-4
Na'garen-3
Cloaking Mine-2
BOF-4

39

IKS Maht-h'a-28
Worf-3
Gorkon-3
Klingon Fleet Captian-5 (use ship action for Gorkon fleet captian for drex)
Drex-3
Kerla-1
Cryogentis Statis-4 I can't decide who to put in it I was thinking cross faction for evade dice (Riker) or maybe just Bu'kah and Klag
Cloaking Mine-2

49

119 total

I could go with PSF on K'temoc instead and BOF on Worf, but PSF is a marginal card.

I have recently started getting back into them myself. The cloaked mines from the Korinar was a big help. I am hoping for more K'Vorts and a Vorch'a that ISN'T from the starter kit. The Negh'Vars' are nice too.

But I agree, Wizkids seems to really dislike the Klingons: No rear arc on most ships, no firepower 6 ships, crap secondary weapons, and few must have crew... As my friend likes to say, "they are too squishy".

I wouldn't say Klingons are squishy, I think it is more of an issue that Klingon players over use cloak. The Maht-H's has 5 hull and 3 shields, that is a durability of 8. That is the same as Voyager. The Neg'Var has a durability of 9 which is the same as a generic Sovereign Class and I see plenty of those.

There is way more dice quality rolling around than during the Dominion War when the Klingons were on top of the hill. Back them Klingons were the Alpha strike list, running bare ships with high cost captains and people haven't gotten away form that strategy. Klingons have a lot going for them. Good captains, decent repair cards, cheap high attack ships, good attack dice quality.

I have always advocated for the cruisers. Brels are nice flavor wise, but 5 total points of durability with one evade dice is the premo example of squishy. If you can get two shots in with 5-6 attack dice, statistically that bird of prey is toast.

I like Klingons, because depending on what you face, it can be an easy win even with bare bones Klingon swarms.

I admit I wasn't around when Dominion War was running, but I have had a lot of luck with swarm tactics, no matter the faction.

 Corpsman913 wrote:

But I agree, Wizkids seems to really dislike the Klingons: No rear arc on most ships, .

Fully half of the Klingon ship classes have a rear arc! K'Tinga, K'Vort, B'Rel and BOP. That's a lot more than the Romulans or the Dominion for example

Poor Romulans only have 2 ships with a rear arc.

 Corpsman913 wrote:
I am hoping for more K'Vorts and a Vorch'a that ISN'T from the starter kit. The Negh'Vars' are nice too ".

Well hope again wave 23 and 24 are confirmed Klingons get a K'Tinga and a D7. Yes, a D7! New DDex for Romulans.....yes yet another 6hull 4shield ship......Frak wizkids


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Sorry Mr. Baldrick, don't take this personal, but I'm so tired of hearing the poor Romulan line. Have a guy here that just harps on it constantly

I think the grass is always greener on the other side when it comes to factions in STAW, I mean I could say Klingon K'vorts are the best thing since sliced bread and how Klingon action economy is legendary compared to romulans and how we have almost no mid cost ships. Conversely the Valdore, D'D and scimitar chassis are fantastic but leave Romulans very top heavy when it comes to list selection.

Federation meanwhile have fantastic crew, infinite ships options the best in game action economy and a captain in the starter box who when I attend an op of 8 people features at least 6 picard 9's -_-

Don;t get me started on Keldon/Hideki Spam


But seriously as a Romulan player can we have a single free action captain and ship hull of 24ish** points.... please?

**Yes I'm aware of the drone ship, the non cloaking ship in the cloaking fleet with so much redundant additional disable tech that by the time you put it on the table it cost more than a D'deridex....

I stand corrected... My collection of Klingons is fairly paltry in comparison to my Romulans and Federation. I only have 4 hull types...

danp164 wrote:
I think the grass is always greener on the other side when it comes to factions in STAW, I mean I could say Klingon K'vorts are the best thing since sliced bread and how Klingon action economy is legendary compared to romulans and how we have almost no mid cost ships. Conversely the Valdore, D'D and scimitar chassis are fantastic but leave Romulans very top heavy when it comes to list selection.

Federation meanwhile have fantastic crew, infinite ships options the best in game action economy and a captain in the starter box who when I attend an op of 8 people features at least 6 picard 9's -_-

Don;t get me started on Keldon/Hideki Spam


But seriously as a Romulan player can we have a single free action captain and ship hull of 24ish** points.... please?

**Yes I'm aware of the drone ship, the non cloaking ship in the cloaking fleet with so much redundant additional disable tech that by the time you put it on the table it cost more than a D'deridex....

The only thing Romulans need is a Tech slots on half their ships, because with interphase generators and advanced cloaking, they are absolutely nasty to fight. They have 2 top tier secondary weapons from the Hakoona....disruptor beams and disruptor pulse. Pulse is anti fighter spam awesomeness.

Is it so hard to ask for good tech, secondary weaponry, especially one like disruptor pulse. BoF is LE and PSF is only good if opponent can't cancel attacks or feedback pulse and please don't try to make a argument for strafing run. I mainly want a retail Vor'Cha with a good ability.

I agree Klingon captains are some of the best in the game, but on Brels they are wasted, Ktingas aren't much better, and D7's and raptors are a joke. Kvorts are good agreed but I prefer the Vor'cha's. The Negh'Var is solid but it should have been on par with the scimitar IMHO.

I would like to see the Klingons get an upgrade like "Combat Vessel Variant" maybe call it "Chancellor's Flagship". Have it be unique and add 1 hull, 1 shield, and 1 attack to a Klingon ship for 4 or 5 points. Have it be like the "First Maje" card for the Kazon where it doesn't take up any of the upgrade slots.

This would go far to make the Neg'Var more intimidating compared to the Borg or Dominion heavies. It could also be on a Vor'Cha for Gowron or Kempec. It would be very powerful in TOS games on Kronos One. Howerver in ST VI when Kronos One comes about on Enterprise Krik and Bones really look to be ing their pants so it might not be too far off.

That would be awesome... Right now, I'd have to say that the Scimitar is the scariest ship in retail (bare bones), and that upgrade would allow the Klingons to keep them in check.

Scimitar with double Interphase Gen is a pain to deal with

Throw on the Reman Torpedoes or either Tactical officer or Helmsman, and it becomes a seriously scary beast.

but so does a swarm of six with tactical officer.

Exactly how many apnex's do people own to have this many interphase generators and as for advanced cloaking good luck finding the op prize for it and a scimitar with twin interphase weighs in at 44 points before you put a captain on it and torpedoes for romulans... REALLY? We have no action economy captains or free target locks so how are we cloaking target locking and re-enabling torps?

I will say however your right about the neg needing a boost at least to dominion battleship levels, probably through an upgrade card allowing the option to keep it cheap or max its stats for cost

It's not too hard. I have 4 Science Vessels. Back when the game was starting I was buying at least 2 of everything. The Independent Fleet Captain makes it easy to get multiple IG in. As for Advanced Cloaking, back during the collective I was playing 3-4 OPs a month, so I ended up with at least 2 of all of those. Funny thing is that back them it wasn't too safe to cloak in the Collective scenarios, so people didn't really want the Romulan or the Independent because they were squishy. Now everyone wants the Vorta Vor. I think there will be a copy of Advanced Cloaking coming in one of the Romulan packs next year. You can cram many things in a Romulan pure list though. I took a list similar to this a while back and did quite well.

38 Scimitar
03 Salatrel
02 Interphase Generator*
02 Interphase Generator*

30 Valdor
04 Mendak
01 Admiral Hiren
05 Independent Fleet Captain (tech*)
00 Romulan Talent
02 Interphase Generator*
03 Advanced Cloaking*

14 Praetus
04 Valdor (adds tech)
02 Cloaked Mines*
02 Cloaked Mines*
02 Cloaked Mines*
05 Disruptor Beams

119 Total

The spare point may give you initiative some time. Or use us to take an out of faction talent like "Stalking Mode". The Scimitar doesn't need advanced cloak because its ability is better. The Aux won't mean much to the Valdor because it will be doing a lot of green anyway. After the mines are dropped if someone wants to shoot at the Praetus they are leaving your other ships alone, and it still packs a punch to finish someone off.

The Scimitar's ability is the same as the Advanced cloak from the Vorta Vor, right?

The Scimitar is a little better, with that you can decide to take the Aux token AFTER you roll attack dice. With Advanced Cloaking you have to decide BEFORE you roll attack dice. The Scimitar allows for a little more flexibility because maybe after you shoot you may be in a good spot and decloaking is ok.

Ok, I see your point. Either way, I'd have to say putting Advanced cloaking n the scimitar would be a waste of points.

Putting the Klingon Advanced cloaking is another story. The action economy isn't great, but its not bad to have both if you need to be able to do a red maneuver next turn.

I was able to trade for 3 Vorta'Vor's when the collective was happening. Two friend kept pulling them, and they hated Romulan so it was easy to trade the crappy ships I got and didn't want.

Normally I see Advanced Cloaking on a 2nd Scimitar class. With a Preatus and cloakig mine boat


As for klingons I seriously want a better anti-squadron secondary weapon, because straffing run is limited in its use against fleets that inclued 2 squadrons and 2 ships. Range 1 just sucks.

I liked the Drone ship and ran a drone ship swarm once... it did not go well.

3 drone ships seems flimsy. Biggest problem I find with the drone is that every time I go to use it I find I can do more for less points with other ships.

Agreed. I swarmed 4 of them after my messing around build of 4 scout cubes kicked butt. Would have one if I hadn't tried to get fancy.

I am wanting more Vorchas and Kvorts because they seem the best mix of tough and firepower for the pointa.