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In the Arkham origins dlc,, Cold Cold heart, Freeze does indeed run with his own gang which includes new 1 or 2 new game mechanics for is gang members. This includes a cold beam that freezes you unless you dodge over it.

However it would seem to be an unusual choice to go back to Arkham origins for material right now. I do imagine the next starter releases we will see will either involve the Arkham Knight, Scarecrow or the Arkham militia.

I had a go with some greenstuff on Two Face a while ago.



Got up the nerve to start painting him tonight. - It's a pity his 'quiff' had flattened a bit though.

I've tried 2 new online stores for my recent Batman orders. - Webster Wargames and Chaos Cards.

Yeah, Bat-Builder was awesome. - I think the most essential part of it is actually the 'planning out purchases' component. I can imagine people getting pretty disappointed if, say, they get Catwoman as a generic free agent, only to find she can't be used in Two-Face gangs.

It really is good to have all these together, Paradigm.

One of the trickier things with the game is, if you go out to buy a model, you can potentially get caught out by what sides they be in.

I can, for example, imagine over the course of the game so far, that a few people would be annoyed to find out that Catwoman and Two-Face can't be in the same crew if they bought them at the same time.

I had some ideas for the Flash myself.

At the start of his activation every round, place him anywhere on the board.

But... Give him 0 Movement points. - Yes, 0. Which means, no loot or objective interaction-ey hijinks. Presumably, anything 'The Flash' could have speedster'ed away, he would have done so before the game began.

Moderately low will power (as he doesn't need MC), high defence, but low endurance (when you hit him, you potentially *really* hit him - Just pulling that off is the hard part). Lots of attacks, but low strength.

Or in game terms, "Remote Baterang while using detective mode." :p

Since Katrina Law's interview on Geek And Sundry last week, I've been painting my Nyssa Al Ghul mini.




It's kinda tricky, I'm trying to paint her clothing to match with Liam Neeson's and the ninjas.



But I'm worried once I'm done highlighting, it'll look like she's wearing a bathrobe... Maybe a black wash instead of blue would do it?

I also haven't figured out what I'm going to do with highlighting her legs, for some reason, in the 20 years I've been painting, I don't think I've actually painted something like that... It's always been like, cloth / fatigues or armour plated legs... What lines do I go over?

I finished painting Two Face today. I started painting him months ago but he's sat on the shelf half done for a long while.

That is, until I decide I need to go back and do some more work on him.

There's lots of suitable Gotham-esque MDF terrain from companies like 4Ground.

Personally, I've used my Gale Force 9 scenery set.



And my Mantic Deadzone scenery for games.



Personally, I would have to say that Batman is not a newbie friendly game. It's small model count, sure, but it goes into sooo much depth for those few models that the amount of options can be quite bewildering.

There are things you can do though. - For example, I've been contemplating putting together full page 'cheat sheets' for all the characters I have, including their special rules all printed out.

In saying that, the game is great fun and I really do want the opportunity to play more of it. However, being the person that's learning the game from the rulebook for myself and despite having fully 18 years of gaming experience behind myself, I still have a lot of trouble getting my head around some rules.

Personally, I think the best 'gateway' game for new players just has to be X-Wing.

It sounds like you might be falling afoul of the 'elite' rules perhaps?

Who is leading your band? Try it with Liam Neeson and see if you have the same problem.

I'm looking at playing my first game of Batman in, well, to be honest, a good few months. - Too many games, not enough time!

Despite thinking I had bought a whole bunch of models, I'm still struggling with getting suitably pointed gangs. Basically, I own too many sidekicks...

So, this is what I've ended up working out to field for me and my mate. If I've done it right, you won't be able to figure out what one I'm playing as:

Batman - 345, 1400
Arkham Origins Batman
Green Arrow
Agent Ron - Magazine, Whistle
Agent O'Connell - Flashlight
Gotham Policeman - Whistle
Gotham Policewoman - Flashlight


Two-Face - 346, $1450
Two-Face
Lieutenant Brandon
Arkham Origins Deathstroke
Puuoop - Bulletproof Vest
Twoowt
Zwoowz - Magazine, Bulletproof Vest


This look like a fair enough match?

Yeah, Green Arrow has stealth, Arkham Origins Batman apparently does not though (but he does have his 5+ save as opposed to 6+).

Neither of us have played much of the game, so it's going to be interesting.

The main thing I worked out from making the Batman list was I really should stop procrastinating about getting the Commissioner Gordon set.

The only Guardians I'd be interested in seeing is a 'Movie Guardians' boxed set. Same with the Avengers, to be honest.

The only X-Men I'm particularly attached to is the 90's cartoon X-men. - Though, I think there's an... "New" X-Men? Jean Grey that's pretty awesome. (Or at least, that's what Marvel Heroes calls it)

I dunno, I'm wondering if this is going to be an issue for Knight Models? Despite tending to prefer DC, instinctually, I know that Marvel is far more popular overall.

But, the question is, what part of marvel is popular? Could it be that since Marvel is so diverse, the popularity is evenly split? In which case, what if the fans of one subsection aren't popular enough for the kits themselves?

I might be talking rubbish... But seriously, it's a thing I'm thinking...

I mean, sure there's loads of different Batmen, but that's one guy. Which iteration of the Guardians of the Galaxy do you do? Movie? Current comics, classic comics? What about the ones when Iron Man was a Guardian?

Movie X-Men, First Class X-Men, 90's X-Men, 80's X-Men? The original team? These are all the situations of multiple 'core' teams and each person would have their own personal preference of what means the most to them. How do you manage that?

Yeah, wargaming wise, I think the Knight Model's games, though awesome, are always going to be niche-ish - particularly in America.
Even though it's a far superior game, I can't ever seeing it having a bigger impact than Heroclix.
I'd love to be proven wrong though...

My thinking was less an issue of them finding things to sell us but more, are they going to find things in specific costumes and settings to sell us in sufficient volumes?
For example, comic fans might massively love the current 'Rocket Raccoon' model. Personally, I prefer the design of Movie Rocket. Therefore, if a Guardians box set comes out with comic Rocket, I'm then not going to be buying that and other primarily movie fans might not either. The inverse may be true as well. Therefore, though there are almost certainly sufficient 'Guardians of the Galaxy' fans to sustain the range, what if they're too split up into separate subgroups that won't fun group starter sets?

I got a few new purchases today. - Arkham City Poison Ivy - Entirely because she's going poof soon. Blackgate Prisoners set 1, because having some more cheap villains seems kinda handy.
And, more impotantly, Jim Gordon and SWAT. The lack of these seemed to be a huge limiting factor in all my 'good aligned' forces.

So, I've been putting some random lists together as a result, just to see what sort of options I have opening up now.

Ra's Al Neeson, Nyssa, Deathstroke (origins). - For some reason, I thought I'd have more models than that in this group...
Ra's Al Neeson, Nyssa, Lotus, Ying, Yang, Seeker, Prisoner 02
- Trying to field Ra's and Nyssa together always ended up in loads of wasted points until now.


Gordon, Batgirl, Alpha, Bravo, Delta, Echo, Policeman, Policewoman, O'Connell. - I heard rumour of bosses not costing funding, can't find that anywhere though... (But then, I've oft lamented that a lot of Batman rules seem to be hidden in secret webpages). - If my opponent would let me though, I'd be able to replace the police woman with a detective...
Anyhow, 10 models is a lot of models in a Batman game I feel...
- I think Joker and Penguin lists commonly run at that, am I right?


I figured, since I had the models, I might as well see what I can do with an Organised Crime faction...
Commissioner Loeb, Alpha Swat, Bravo Swat, Prisoner 01, Prisoner 02, Turk, Riddler, Catwoman, a Detective (Bullock perhaps? ), 2 magazines and bribe.

Even though I don't intend on collecting a Poison Ivy gang, I figured, lets see what I can pull off...
Arkham City Poison Ivy, Deathstroke Origins, Catwoman, Prisoner 02, Turk.
- I imagine this list would be rather terribad, but hey...


I've played Two Face a few times and he was a little too gun heavy for my mates enjoyment, so I figured trying to go for something a little less gunny.
Two-Face, Riddler, Twoowt, Zwoowz, Rottor, Mottom, Puuoop, HS Henchmen, Prisoner 01, Prisoner 02, 2 bulletproof vests, 2 magazines, handcuffs (Maybe Bribe instead though?)


And finally, I was able to make up a Batman list a lot easier than I used to.
Arkham Knight Batman
Arkham Knight Robin
Detective - Whistle, Ammo (I hear a detective is always better than Agent Ron?)
O'Connell
Policeman
Policewoman
Alpha Swat (Whistle, Ammo)

There still doesn't seem to be a good choice of minis for a Green Arrow force though. - Gimmie my Diggle and White Canary!


In other news, I've given myself a challenge, I've to finish painting Superman before the end of next Friday's Geek And Sundry Group Hug show.


There's still a lot of way to go with him. To be honest, he was a subject of my "Compel tries liquid mask and experiments fully airbrushing a model smaller than an AT-ST" disaster and, in all honesty, I should really have detolled him and repainted him right from the beginning... Like I plan to do with AK Robin...

Working on Supes a bit more...



I think I'm happy with this blue - Vallejo model colour Prussian Blue as a final main blue colour for him. The thing I need to figure out next is what to highlight with. I was thinking enchanted blue, but someone pointed out to me that Enchanted blue (aka Magic blue aka Teclis Blue... I think), is a bit too vibrant a colour and maybe I should be looking at something more pastel-ey? I don't think Ultramarines blue is light enough for a highlight though? I do have Ice blue and baharroth blue for the final ones though, but I think that's too much of a jump...

Although, before I get overly concerned about highlighting, I should probably do the S and his belt. At least the skin seems ok enough that only edge highlights should be needed, right?


Also, I'm playing a Batman game at my gaming club on Tuesday! We're looking at going for maybe 250 points, 1000 rep, because I'm incredibly slow at playing the game.
Naturally of course, the first list I come up with, is 251 points, with 3 models... - Ra's, Nyssa and Lotus. I might need to work on that a bit more...

I think I can go for Nyssa, Talia, Yang, Ying, Seeker and giving seeker pretty much all the equipment. - Night vision goggles, magazine, trained in shadow, climbing claws. - May be a little bit over kill though

I.... think... I might have finished painting Superman. Maybe...



Incidentally, still nowhere near brave enough to try to paint eyes.

Funnily enough, I've to repainted all the edge highlighting on the cape, as I tried doing the whole red glaze thing, which seemed to end up completely obliterating it all...

I'm definitely up for getting any advice on what I should do with him now.

Probably just varnishing time though? Satin then Matt varnish, if I remember right?

I'm going for The X-Men myself, with a mate going for the Avengers. Of course, we're both getting a Deadpool, naturally.

I haven't heard many people voting for the Guardians of the Galaxy though. I'm wondering if maybe it's the sculpts. - Gamora looks incredibly slender and delicate, Star-lord looks closer to Bayonetta than Chris Pratt and, for me at least, I'd have preferred the movie Rocket.

Drax is the best one of the lot of the guardians.

So, I've been thinking about getting the 70mm Superman model.

But... I'm kinda concerned about the parts breakdown of it and general experiences with it for that matter.

It seems to be a VERY unstable model, potentially....

So, this is how Poison Ivy is going after week 1.



My latest stage was trying to give her skin a greenish tinge. I think I mostly succeeded alright, there were a couple of points (mostly on her hands) that went a bit overboard.



So, that was with Waywatcher Green glaze, I found an attempt at using the shade overdid it a little. - I'll be layering it next, which is going to be interesting. Ideally it'd be mostly normal skin with the layering (I'll need to be VERY careful where I'm painting, but hopefully practice with superman should help there.). But I'll see if I can put a little greenness into there too without overdoing it.

Sometimes people see themselves as 'gatekeepers' of a, well, to be honest, fandom. With knightmodels being a relatively small community, it's very easy to fall foul of overzealous fans. Sometimes, it's attempts in this case to hide negativity, othertimes, it's things a lot nastier.

The thing to remember is that the fans are not the employees. - In this case, I imagine that person administers many of those fan pages.

Knight Models seem to very much rely on others to do pretty much every ancillary thing to the game. - EG, the Army List builder is separately hosted at http://www.hero-builder.net

The one true tournament legal, official rulebook, is again on a separately hosted page, http://www.critskillpeople.com

Ultimately, what's worth remembering, is that Knight Models number maybe 3-5 people at most and it is possible not to overzealous fans taint your experiences of a company or game.

Me, personally, I have no intention of ever going to a Batman Miniatures Game tournament, or marvel for that matter. I only really play the games with close friends at my club. I could choose to concern myself with the games fandom as a whole but I basically choose not to deal with the stress (when I can, at least).

In the meantime, my mates and I play Batman. Because, well, because Batman.

I'm sure he's one of the moderators/page-admins, yeah. - Not 100% certain about being one of the game designers (He's not Spanish, for one, for another, he doesn't list himself as being employed by them, something that a working games designer for a company would probably do). You could be right, of course, but a quick googling suggests he's more of an fan-with-connections, than an employee.

In any case, I wouldn't write the game off, myself. I'd probably write off the facebook communities though. :p

I don't know about Marvel, but, for Batman:
"Game Design and Development: Gustavo Adolfo, Cuadrado Egea, Francisco Conde, Nunez and Luis Escudero Moran.

Editors: Mark Latham and Gustavo Adolfo Cuadrado Egea
Translation Mark Latham and Andres Herranz Alonso.

There is a special thanks to him and the others in the Arkham City Limits facebook group, which isn't too big a surprise, really.

Just one of those things, I'm afraid, admins can run their groups (or forums), how they wish.

In any case, I can't wait for the Marvel game, myself. - Though I do have more Batman ninjas to paint first. It'd be nice to get a painted faction. Mostly right now, I've just been pottering around various characters and not been doing any henchmen. - Poison Ivy was my most recently painted mini, for example.

Marvel wise, I'm going for the X-Men, though I did buy the original version of the Black Widow mini too. - I have the horrible, horrible feeling that means I'll end up buying the Avengers at some point...

Yup, I've had some difficulty with the facebook group myself. The thing is, Is, I just try to see it as a facebook game and I divorce it from the game itself (which is really fun).

As, lets face it, unless you're going for a tournament, you're never gonna interact with those guys anyways and there's other places to chat about the game anyhows (like Dakka).

If I remember right, photocopying is bad, quoting things verbatim, also bad.

But if someone were to write up the scenarios in their own words with their own diagrams. (Which, quite frankly, would be helpful anyway, cause they are TINY), then there would be less of an issue. I'm not saying there would be 'no' issue (that would be for a mod to decide) but yeah...

The X-Men one is a kind of "Defend the middle of the board" style mission.

str00dles1 wrote:
Are there any good resources on modern city scatter terrain? Got buildings and cars, just needs more smaller stuff

It depends on how strictly you want to define modern.... I'm planning on using my Deadzone terrain from Mantic Games.

Mantic also have a "1950's redbrick" style scenery sets for their Mars Attacks game. A bit too "small town America" but not every fight has to take place in Manhattan.

I think there's plenty of 4Ground Infinity style scenery that you could use if you wanted a Tokyo or Times Square kinda feel.


A scenario I would be playing if I was playing as the X-Men would be something like

It's kinda a last stand sort of situation (hehe). Played on a 3' by 3' board for 6 turns. Player A gets to place all the scenery. Player B then decides whether he wants to either deploy in a 6 inch square in the middle of the board. Or 3 inches onto any board edge.

Deployment looks pretty standard for the game, I'm guessing. However, the person doing the surrounding can't deploy models within 2 inches of each other. (because they're surrounding).

1 point for killing the highest point enemy model (you have to specify which one if equal)
1 point for your highest point dude NOT dying
1 point if >50% of your models were still alive. Then an extra point if *all* your models are still alive.
1 point if you've killed >50% of your enemy models.
You must overdramatically shout "JEANNNNNN!!!!!!" if a model with red hair is killed during the battle.

I was a bit unsure of that. Though, I think I did read (admittedly before I got the models), that they actually don't start on the grey track, therefore they don't get the grey bonuses until they take a hit.

Funnily enough, I didn't consider that bit...

To the rulebook!




"When a characters endurance reaches 0, the model is incapacitated."

Therefore, the way I would play it, Black Widow can take 9 points of damage (EG have 9 damage tokens assigned to her), she then has 0 endurance, and is therefore out of the game.

I have absolutely no idea whether that's the intention or not though, I'm kinda going by "Batman" and "Imperial Assault" rules for that.

However, thanks to the bit about "subtracting from their endurance" I would have a really hard time disagree with someone that treated it as a gauge, a bit like "Epic Spell Wars." - To be honest, I'm starting to talk myself into that way of thinking.
In which case, it's still 9, but you do start on the first grey box.