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It is definitely written all over the place that the same unit cannot fire shooting weapons against a transport (say, with a targetlock) and have the same unit shoot the models that spill out from the vehicle, on the same turn.

But psykers are able to target different units than the shooting phase that follows, even that the unit can assault a different target too. In fact, psykers can target as many different units as they want w/o restrictions.

So does the witchfire rules get around this ruling, which would normally prevent transports and occupants from being fired upon by the same unit in the same turn? (OR FROM BEING IMMEDIATELY ASSAULTED?!)


Tytyty,

Yes, you can target the transport with the Witchfire in the psychic phase, and if you wreck the transport, you can shoot the guys inside it in the Shooting Phase.

Since they're separate phases

Targeting a unit with a Witchfire psychic power doesn't bind the Psyker's unit to targeting the same unit in the subsequent Shooting phase.

Wow.

Living lightning just got so much more potent!

Um as to your last all caps line: you can always assault the unit you just shot out of their transport(as in killed the transport forcing them out) with the same unit that popped the tranny. Well so long as you are still allowed to assault(didn't fire heavy, rapid fire, salvo, or ordnance weapons)

The vehicle is considered a different unit, therefore typically you cannot fire at unit A (vehicle) and assault unit B (troops)

No, it specifically states in the rule book that if you destroy/wreck a transport in the shooting phase, you can charge the formerly embarked troops in the following assault phase.

MekLeN wrote:
The vehicle is considered a different unit, therefore typically you cannot fire at unit A (vehicle) and assault unit B (troops)

Unless there is a specific exception in the rules, as there is in the case of transports and the embarked squad (Effects of Damage on Passengers, last sentence).

Pg 83.

If a transport is destroyed by a shooting attack, any unit that shot at it this turn can, if allowed, charge the now disembarked pasangers.

Woa!

My bad!

*shakes the older edition rules out of ears*

and by old rules, 4th edition and before, from memory...

Yeah, it was 5th that added the allowance to assault the disembarked unit.

Even as far back as 3rd.

I'll admit to being a bit embarrassed ...

But definitely shows the misinformation and errors midst the 40k community. I put decent time into reading and strategy online, and well... this goes to show how valuable this forum is.

I appreciate the positive support, and patient effort invested here on dakkadakka.

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