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I want to buy my first airbrush and compressor. I looked for advice in different forums and discussion. I understood what is better to have (gravity feed, internal mix, double action, tanked compressor...). And I found some possible purchases. Now, I would like to know if what I found is good value for money, if some of you has already bought it etc...

http://m.ebay.it/itm/400488286503?_mwBanner=1
http://m.ebay.it/itm/191306459160
These two offers are pretty similar, they both offer a tanked compressor of an unknown brand, which seems pretty good , plus two (or in the second case, three plus cleaning items etc...) cheap airbrushes, only one should double action. Considering that they do not cost a lot more than buying a single compressor, with these I get some cheap airbrushes to learn the basics and something more. Question is: are they good? How far can a cheap airbrush go (talking about painting techniques)? Is the compressor good?

http://www.amazon.it/gp/aw/d/B0068XOBFS/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1437908014&sr=8-1&pi=SX200_QL40&keywords=iwata+medea+eclipse&dpPl=1&dpID=31LkzlMWByL&ref=plSrch#featureBulletsAndDetailBullets_secondary_view_div_1437908034100
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B006MTQXPE?vs=1
http://m.harborfreight.com/deluxe-airbrush-kit-95810.html?utm_referrer=direct%2Fnot%20provided
Are they good? How far can I get with these ones? Plus, the more important question is, does harbor freight send products in Italy?
http://www.amazon.it/gp/aw/d/B00L7SZSK6/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1437908977&sr=8-1&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=compressore+tc+20t&dpPl=1&dpID=413fyEhH66L&ref=plSrch
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001738DXU?psc=1
If I buy an airbrush, what will be the best compressor *between these two*?

Thanks for answering!
Luca

PS: I hope I'm in the right section

All of those links are selling the same compressor, just different photographs. I hope that can help you make a decision on the price you are comfortable to pay.

The results you get from a cheap airbrush depends on the feed type, the nozzle size, your patience, the paint you put through, many factors.

Expect to be able to base-coat nicely, and do some graduation to start with.

You want to look at this part:
Nozzle Diameter: 0.35MM
This diameter effects how narrow your strokes can be. You can get a 0.2 with some cheaper kits, which you may want for small detail, you may not. 0.3 would be fine for basing and patterning.

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
All of those links are selling the same compressor, just different photographs. I hope that can help you make a decision on the price you are comfortable to pay.

The results you get from a cheap airbrush depends on the feed type, the nozzle size, your patience, the paint you put through, many factors.

Expect to be able to base-coat nicely, and do some graduation to start with.

You want to look at this part:
Nozzle Diameter: 0.35MM
This diameter effects how narrow your strokes can be. You can get a 0.2 with some cheaper kits, which you may want for small detail, you may not. 0.3 would be fine for basing and patterning.

Thanks very much! In every offer there is a double Action with 0,35mm. What about the other airbrushes? And the harbor freight question? If I have a budget around 150€, what would you counsel?
Thanks very much again

EDIT: What I would like to do with an airbrush: Not only simple base coating, I would like to do more than that. To explain that, a nice example is painting a space marine, I do not want to just put his base color (blue if he's a ultramarine), I would like also to highlight it. I would like to do some details etc... I know that it's more a matter of exercise and personal skill, what I'm trying to say is that if I buy an airbrush I prefer to buy one that can give me some satisfaction concerning this part of painting (after exercise), I don't want to buy one that can only basecoat even if I get skilled in using it

You will struggle to get a good airbrush and compressor for €150. The compressor above is fine (AS186) but I wouldn't expect much from the unbranded airbrush for fine detail.

I normally recommend Harder & Steenbeck in Europe as they are German made so spares are more readily available, you also have Badger which are the big American brand and get recommended alot, but the spares aren't as readily available over here.

Then you have Iwata who are also very good, you cannot go wrong with any of them and different people have preferences to different brands, mostly the variation in trigger

You want a gravity fed one (paint tub on top) for miniature painting.

I'll list what the basic ones are and depending on how much you want to spend you can go up the range.

H&S - Ultra
Badger - Patriot/Renegade
Iwata - Neo/Revolution (Neo is a good cheap starter)

Different airbrushed have different needle sizes and some allow for multiple sizes. For minis I would stick to below 4mm, you can go as low as .15mm but they can be a pain to thin down to paint to pass through.

any questions fire away.

You can get a usable set for some £65 on eBay. Having used one, it has yet to blow up; admittedly, there have been a few issues (my pressure gauge cracked, but it doesn't affect it much), but if you're starting out it's quite useful to decide whether airbrushing is something you want to continue with.

Thanks for the answers! So you would suggest a compressor (the last two links are good?) plus one of the starter brush from iwata/badger/h&s?
To clean them do I need particular products?
What about the colors, I would like to use my standard gw colors plus a thinner (Vallejo one is said to be good). Does that damage the airbrush (I'm talking about the rubber (?) part of the airbrush (I don't know the specific name, I know that in the Iwata neo it's not as good as with the branded one in the more expensive ones)?

Paint will not damage the airbrush.

Think of the airbrush as a very very thin pipe. If you put thick paint into it, you need to blow harder (compressor PSI) and sometimes no matter how hard you blow, paint will block the pipe.
Mixing the paint is very very important for this reason.

For learning to begin with? Do yourself a favour and buy a basic set of Vallejo Model Air paint. You will want to practise using something simple to use. Thinning gw paints takes time and practise.

To clean you can use airbrush cleaner and flush the cup with plain water. You will want to run cleaner through the airbrush every so often as you work.

Remember to make or buy a cleaning station (a bottle to blow waste paint into).

I second what Buttery Commissar says, get some air paints, you will still need to thin them down depending on what size needle you use to learn what to do, otherwise it will drive you insane trying to find out what ratio to thin down to.

As for the compressor yea they are fine, they both look like rebranded AS186's.

As for cleaning, for flushing I use window cleaner (none ammonia) and Vallejo cleaner when I do a big clean.

So basically I spray a colour, spray the excess into a cleaning pot, put some cleaner in flush that, then the same with water. It sounds alot but it takes less than 20 seconds.

As well as the cleaning station I would recommend some cleaning brushes, they only cost about €3 and make cleaning easy. I use Vallejo thinners with GW paints and its fine.

Ive never heard of any acrylic paint or thinner damaging the seals, its normally when people clean with things like Acetone or Cellulose thinner.