Nazi gold train found

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**Howard A Treesong**

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33994483

Apparently an armoured train carrying nazi loot has been found. They want 10% as a finders fee but I suspect that there will be complications as always with ownership of the find, some would certainly have claims made by previous owners for return of stolen property. I'm about to read a book about the Monument men who located a large portion of art stolen by the nazis so it's of particular interest. Though I'm really interested in the train and what will become of it if the find is true, there have been hoaxes before unfortunately.

Gold bars are seen at the Czech Central Bank on September 05, 2011 in Prague.
The train is rumoured to have been carrying gold and gems
Two people in Poland say they may have found a Nazi train rumoured to be full of gold, gems and guns that disappeared in World War Two, Polish media say.
The train is believed to have gone missing near what is now the Polish city of Wroclaw as Soviet forces approached in 1945.
A law firm in south-west Poland says it has been contacted by two men who have discovered the armoured train.
Polish media say the men want 10% of the value of the train's contents.
Local news websites said the apparent find matched reports in local folklore of a train carrying gold and gems that went missing at the end of World War Two near Ksiaz castle.
The claim was made to a law office in Walbrzych, 3km (2 miles) from Ksiaz castle.
Myth-busting the 'Nazi gold train'
Walbrzych's local leader Roman Szelemej said he was sceptical about the supposed find but would monitor developments.
"Lawyers, the army, the police and the fire brigade are dealing with this," Marika Tokarska, an official at the Walbrzych district council, told Reuters.
"The area has never been excavated before and we don't know what we might find."
Map of Poland showing Wroclaw and Walbrzych - August 2015
Two news websites in Walbrzych said the train that was found had guns on turrets along its side. One website, walbrzych24.com, said (in Polish) that one of the men was Polish and the other German.
They were liaising with officials in the city, who have since formed an emergency committee led by the mayor to investigate the claims, the website says.
Another site, Wiadomosci Walbrzyskie, said (in Polish) the train was 150m long and may have up to 300 tonnes of gold on board.
Joanna Lamparska, a historian who focuses on the Walbrzych area, told Radio Wroclaw the train was rumoured to have disappeared into a tunnel, and that it had gold and "hazardous materials" on board.
Previous searches for the train in the same area had proved fruitless, Radio Wroclaw said.

**Orlanth**

A train cant go far off its rails, and those are teckable even if destroyed.

If true sourcing ownership of 'nazi gold' will be problematical, as it came from a large variety of sources, many of them German.

**KingCracker**

10% of 300 tonnes of gold. Yup. That's a lot of cash

**nkelsch**

I can't figure how a train goes missing. Was it under ground or in a lost tunnel or something?

**Ketara**

I assume you could bury it if you had a deep enough pit/gorge/valley and a lot of dynamite.

**usernamesareannoying**

nkelsch wrote:
I can't figure how a train goes missing. Was it under ground or in a lost tunnel or something?

yep, in a giant underground complex. I wish that I could remember the name of it but it is HUGE.
Found it, project riese.
Check it out if you like cool ww2 crazy german super projects. It's neat.

**Howard A Treesong**

There are miles of tunnels and they could have pushed it up one and walled it up. Some of these tunnels in complexes around Europe are structurally unsafe and have part collapsed sealing sections off or are declared too dangerous to explore. There are others I think are banned from exploration as there are bodies entombed within.

**Wyrmalla**

And given the value would you really just leave it on the tracks even if they're far from civilization? Nah you do your best to hide the thing. ...Even if it'd be easier to take the cargo out first then move that rather than the whole car. Well unless the tracks led to an underground complex like's been said. Meh, we'll find out eventually, unless this all turns out to be a hoax. =P

**reds8n**

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35104117

There is no evidence that a Nazi train rumoured to be carrying gems and gold has been found in Poland, experts say.
Researchers presenting findings about the alleged discovery in the Polish town of Walbrzych said there might be a tunnel but no train.
However, one of those who claimed to have found the train said he still believed it was there.
It was claimed that the train was hidden underground near Wroclaw as Soviet forces approached in 1945.
The Nazis had many miles of tunnels constructed near Walbrzych during World War Two.
In August, Deputy Culture Minister Piotr Zuchowski said that ground-penetrating radar images had left him "99% convinced" that a German military train was buried near Walbrzych.
He said images appeared to show a train equipped with gun turrets.
But on Tuesday, Professor Janusz Madej from Krakow's Academy of Mining said its geological survey of the site had found no evidence of a train.
"There may be a tunnel. There is no train," he told a press conference in Walbrzych.
Local folklore said an armoured train had been carrying gold from what is now the Polish city of Wroclaw as the Soviet army closed in at the end of World War Two.
It was said to have gone missing near Ksiaz castle, 3km (two miles) from Walbrzych.
Earlier this year, Piotr Koper, from Poland, and Andreas Richter, from Germany, told authorities that they knew the location of the train.
Through lawyers, they said that they wanted 10% of the value of anything that was found.
At the news conference on Tuesday, Mr Koper questioned the survey methodology and said he still believed the train was there.

**djones520**

I wonder what methods they used to determine that.

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

reds8n wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35104117

There is no evidence that a Nazi train rumoured to be carrying gems and gold has been found in Poland, experts say.
Researchers presenting findings about the alleged discovery in the Polish town of Walbrzych said there might be a tunnel but no train.
However, one of those who claimed to have found the train said he still believed it was there.
It was claimed that the train was hidden underground near Wroclaw as Soviet forces approached in 1945.
The Nazis had many miles of tunnels constructed near Walbrzych during World War Two.
In August, Deputy Culture Minister Piotr Zuchowski said that ground-penetrating radar images had left him "99% convinced" that a German military train was buried near Walbrzych.
He said images appeared to show a train equipped with gun turrets.
But on Tuesday, Professor Janusz Madej from Krakow's Academy of Mining said its geological survey of the site had found no evidence of a train.
"There may be a tunnel. There is no train," he told a press conference in Walbrzych.
Local folklore said an armoured train had been carrying gold from what is now the Polish city of Wroclaw as the Soviet army closed in at the end of World War Two.
It was said to have gone missing near Ksiaz castle, 3km (two miles) from Walbrzych.
Earlier this year, Piotr Koper, from Poland, and Andreas Richter, from Germany, told authorities that they knew the location of the train.
Through lawyers, they said that they wanted 10% of the value of anything that was found.
At the news conference on Tuesday, Mr Koper questioned the survey methodology and said he still believed the train was there.

"Never believe anything until it's been officially denied." - Otto Von Bismarck

**jhe90**

Others are mined and riggerd with traps etc....

Your basically entering a crumbling 70 year old maze that's been booby trapped and rigged to put off those who would look for said train.

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

djones520 wrote:
I wonder what methods they used to determine that.

Bullgak and gakbull

I wouldn't believe the Polish government for a minute when they say nothing's been found.

If you're in Paris next spring, don't be surprised if you bump into a lot of wives/girlfriends of Polish government officials.

**Easy E**

This is like something form a Clive Cussler novel.

**Iron_Captain**

Wyrmalla wrote:
And given the value would you really just leave it on the tracks even if they're far from civilization? Nah you do your best to hide the thing. ...Even if it'd be easier to take the cargo out first then move that rather than the whole car. Well unless the tracks led to an underground complex like's been said. Meh, we'll find out eventually, unless this all turns out to be a hoax. =P

Well, if it is 300 tonnes of stuff, and you have to hurry to avoid being caught by the Soviets, it might have been faster to hide the entire train all at once.

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

Iron_Captain wrote:
Wyrmalla wrote:
And given the value would you really just leave it on the tracks even if they're far from civilization? Nah you do your best to hide the thing. ...Even if it'd be easier to take the cargo out first then move that rather than the whole car. Well unless the tracks led to an underground complex like's been said. Meh, we'll find out eventually, unless this all turns out to be a hoax. =P

Well, if it is 300 tonnes of stuff, and you have to hurry to avoid being caught by the Soviets, it might have been faster to hide the entire train all at once.

Maybe the Soviets did get it, and Putin is sitting on a throne made from this gold!

In all honesty, this will probably keep the conspiracy theorists busy for years.

I can see a few hundred thousand books being written about this.

The documentary of this will be coming to a TV near you, sometime soon.

Hopefully, that alien guy from the discovery channel will host