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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/23 06:56:22
Subject: Swooping Hawks Intercept
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Purposeful Hammerhead Pilot
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If a squad of swooping hawks deepstrikes next to a flyer's base, but physically under the wing (which is considered part of the vehicles hull), can they use intercept to plant grenades on the aircraft?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/23 07:06:17
Subject: Re:Swooping Hawks Intercept
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Trustworthy Shas'vre
california
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No. The rule specifically states the base must be passed over.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/23 09:35:50
Subject: Re:Swooping Hawks Intercept
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Executing Exarch
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Nay? No mention of "base" in my Codex. But indeed, they have not "moved over" ( DS counts as movement, but there's no actual distance moved), the vehicle, no Intercept.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/23 16:27:01
Subject: Swooping Hawks Intercept
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Fixture of Dakka
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Quanar, Deep Strike as movement has always been debated, ending in no consensus every time it is brought up. So some will state nothing has been 'moved over' due to a 0 inch movement distance Others will state nothing has been 'moved over' as the Models deployed during Deep Strike
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8th made it so I can no longer sway Tau onto the side of Chaos, but they will eventually turn aside from their idea of the Greater Good to embrace the Greatest of pleasures. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/23 17:51:27
Subject: Re:Swooping Hawks Intercept
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World-Weary Pathfinder
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Another argument is just like you could argue they came in from above the flyer (as one might envision) someone can equally argue they swooped in below it. Since they just sorta materialize there with Deep Strike, there is no rules support. Movement in the Movement Phase specifically says jump units may move "Over" other units.
The rules really aren't designed for 3D combat. Which wasn't as big a deal until fliers became a thing. Unfortunately, making rules for aerial combat could be incredibly complex to visualize/account for. Heck, why do Swooping Hawks ever land? One could make a case they should be units of flying monstrous creatures...sorta. *shrug*
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/24 11:36:35
Subject: Swooping Hawks Intercept
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
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JinxDragon wrote:Quanar,
Deep Strike as movement has always been debated, ending in no consensus every time it is brought up.
So some will state nothing has been 'moved over' due to a 0 inch movement distance
Others will state nothing has been 'moved over' as the Models deployed during Deep Strike
This case should have consensus.
You yourself just posted the reasons.
0" deepstrike "movement", and "only counts as moved but not actually moved" still leads to neither "moved over". So no matter which side of the deepstrike movement debate you are on you never move over any models while deepstrikeing.
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This is my Rulebook. There are many Like it, but this one is mine. Without me, my rulebook is useless. Without my rulebook, I am useless.
Stop looking for buzz words and start reading the whole sentences.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/24 15:53:28
Subject: Swooping Hawks Intercept
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Swift Swooping Hawk
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Someone posted this exact questrion a few weeks ago. The answer is "No".
The Swooping Hawk's attack is more akin to a Vector Strike where they really need to go over the model.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/24 16:53:03
Subject: Swooping Hawks Intercept
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Fixture of Dakka
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Kommissar Kal,
This case is most likely going to be a consensus, but I was commenting on the whole 'deep strike is movement' debate that extends far further then this one question.
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8th made it so I can no longer sway Tau onto the side of Chaos, but they will eventually turn aside from their idea of the Greater Good to embrace the Greatest of pleasures. |
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