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Greetings guys, I was just going over the new starter set and had an interesting strategy pop into my head. I was wondering if it would actually work, so I checked the new rulebook for the order of operations rules. For example, if two different card effects happen at the same time, the active player chooses which one to resolve first, or something along those lines. Is there a ruling for this sort of thing? I skimmed both rulebooks and couldn't find anything about it.

My idea is as follows:

Poe Dameron (T-70)
- Weapon Guidance

So, when performing my attack, I have a focus token, and may change a focus result to an hit (via Poe's ability), so I resolve that first. Then, after that, I have Weapon Guidance. I may spend a focus to change a blank result into a hit. Could I, in fact, use both of these as the way I'm thinking? Or if I spend a focus at all, his effect wouldn't activate because there's no such ruling for order of operations?

 krodarklorr wrote:
So I checked the new rulebook for the order of operations rules. For example, if two different card effects happen at the same time, the active player chooses which one to resolve first, or something along those lines. Is there a ruling for this sort of thing? I skimmed both rulebooks and couldn't find anything about it.

Yes, it has always been like that. It is not in the original core rule book from 2012, but it is in the FAQ (section five, page 15).

My idea is as follows:

Poe Dameron (T-70)
- Weapon Guidance

So, when performing my attack, I have a focus token, and may change a focus result to an hit (via Poe's ability), so I resolve that first. Then, after that, I have Weapon Guidance. I may spend a focus to change a blank result into a hit. Could I, in fact, use both of these as the way I'm thinking? Or if I spend a focus at all, his effect wouldn't activate because there's no such ruling for order of operations?

Yes, it works that way because Poe's ability doesn't require you to spend your focus token, just to have one assigned to your ship. You could also use a token generated by Esege or if Kyle Katarn passes you one with his ability.

However, I'm not personally sold on Weapon Guidance for Poe... I see where it could work, but I prefer to have that focus token to use his ability defensively since you can use it every time you're attacked. Then, you could give him R5-P9 and use that focus token to regenerate a shield. My current prefered Poe build is: Poe + Push the Limit + BB-8 + Autothrusters. With BB-8, you can reveal a green maneuver, perform a free barrel roll, PtL for another action, gain a stress token, execute you maneuver, clear your stress, perform a third action. If you had a reliable way to have access to a second focus token, I could see using Weapon Guidance with all those other goodies.

I'm not privy to the new starter, but how do you get to execute a second maneuver after receiving the stress token in the same activation phase?

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I'm not privy to the new starter, but how do you get to execute a second maneuver after receiving the stress token in the same activation phase?

You're only executing one maneuver.

BB-8 allows you to perform a free barrel roll when you reveal a green maneuver, meaning you perform the action before you move. When Poe (or whomever has BB-8 riding with them) activates, you turn over your dial to show a green maneuver. Now you perform a free barrel roll. After you do that, your can trigger Push the Limit to perform another action, then receive a stress token. Now you can execute the green maneuver you revealed, clearing your stress. After you finish executing the maneuver, perform your third action to complete your activation.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

However, I'm not personally sold on Weapon Guidance for Poe... I see where it could work, but I prefer to have that focus token to use his ability defensively since you can use it every time you're attacked. Then, you could give him R5-P9 and use that focus token to regenerate a shield. My current prefered Poe build is: Poe + Push the Limit + BB-8 + Autothrusters. With BB-8, you can reveal a green maneuver, perform a free barrel roll, PtL for another action, gain a stress token, execute you maneuver, clear your stress, perform a third action. If you had a reliable way to have access to a second focus token, I could see using Weapon Guidance with all those other goodies.

For now, I think weapons guidance is definitely a viable option for Poe, just because there are times where converting a blank is worth it, but I expect that other tech upgrades will displace it.

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

However, I'm not personally sold on Weapon Guidance for Poe... I see where it could work, but I prefer to have that focus token to use his ability defensively since you can use it every time you're attacked. Then, you could give him R5-P9 and use that focus token to regenerate a shield. My current prefered Poe build is: Poe + Push the Limit + BB-8 + Autothrusters. With BB-8, you can reveal a green maneuver, perform a free barrel roll, PtL for another action, gain a stress token, execute you maneuver, clear your stress, perform a third action. If you had a reliable way to have access to a second focus token, I could see using Weapon Guidance with all those other goodies.

For now, I think weapons guidance is definitely a viable option for Poe, just because there are times where converting a blank is worth it, but I expect that other tech upgrades will displace it.

I agree that it's viable, mainly because it's the only Tech option he currently has access to. I'm not saying I wouldn't include it, I just wouldn't build a list with it being an auto-include for Poe. If the points are there, I would take it.

In fact, this what I am going to try out this week:

Poe Dameron (31)
Push the Limit (3)
BB-8 (2)
Weapons Guidance (2)
Autothrusters (2)

Kyle Katarn (21)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Twin Laser Turret (6)
Recon Specialist (3)
Moldy Crow (3)

Bandit Squadron Pilot (12)

Bandit Squadron Pilot (12)

Total: 98

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 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
So I checked the new rulebook for the order of operations rules. For example, if two different card effects happen at the same time, the active player chooses which one to resolve first, or something along those lines. Is there a ruling for this sort of thing? I skimmed both rulebooks and couldn't find anything about it.

Yes, it has always been like that. It is not in the original core rule book from 2012, but it is in the FAQ (section five, page 15).

My idea is as follows:

Poe Dameron (T-70)
- Weapon Guidance

So, when performing my attack, I have a focus token, and may change a focus result to an hit (via Poe's ability), so I resolve that first. Then, after that, I have Weapon Guidance. I may spend a focus to change a blank result into a hit. Could I, in fact, use both of these as the way I'm thinking? Or if I spend a focus at all, his effect wouldn't activate because there's no such ruling for order of operations?

Yes, it works that way because Poe's ability doesn't require you to spend your focus token, just to have one assigned to your ship. You could also use a token generated by Esege or if Kyle Katarn passes you one with his ability.

However, I'm not personally sold on Weapon Guidance for Poe... I see where it could work, but I prefer to have that focus token to use his ability defensively since you can use it every time you're attacked. Then, you could give him R5-P9 and use that focus token to regenerate a shield. My current prefered Poe build is: Poe + Push the Limit + BB-8 + Autothrusters. With BB-8, you can reveal a green maneuver, perform a free barrel roll, PtL for another action, gain a stress token, execute you maneuver, clear your stress, perform a third action. If you had a reliable way to have access to a second focus token, I could see using Weapon Guidance with all those other goodies.

I just figured that since Weapon Guidance is the only Tech upgrade at the moment, and it's only 2 points, it wouldn't hurt using it on him. Sure, you could use it defensively, but if you really need something dead, and you weren't able to/didn't target lock, it gives you options.

Is there only one card in the starter? Don't the tie fighters also have a tech slot?

buckero0 wrote:
Is there only one card in the starter? Don't the tie fighters also have a tech slot?

There is only 1 of each upgrade card in the new starter kit, even though the TIE/FOs have the slot too.

Doesn't PtL Activate during your action step, not on activation of the pilot? I am pretty sure that you can't PtL and immediately clear the stress...

krodarklorr wrote:

buckero0 wrote:
Is there only one card in the starter? Don't the tie fighters also have a tech slot?

There is only 1 of each upgrade card in the new starter kit, even though the TIE/FOs have the slot too.

Actually, There are 2 Astromech Droids.

Corpsman913 wrote:Doesn't PtL Activate during your action step, not on activation of the pilot? I am pretty sure that you can't PtL and immediately clear the stress...

You can. See Corran Horn+Advanced Sensors. Difference here is you don't lose your action phase.

Yup - if you get a free action at some other point in the turn you can use Push The Limit then - using it with Ysanne Isard (who gives you an evade action at the start of the combat phase) to allow a decimator to boost after soontir et al have moved is one of the nastier implications.

Weapons guidance is nice - as noted, primarily because the Rebels have plenty of ways of passing extra focus tokens around (Garven Dreis, Kyle Katarn, Esege Tukutu).

Not to mention that a T-70, especially with BB-8 in the astromech slot, is decent arc dodger - if you can end up out of arc of fire of your opponents, you don't need to hang on to the focus token and can use it to be pretty confident of 3+ hits - but only using a single focus token, rather than the target lock and focus token a normal pilot would need - which in turn means you can push the limit and use your additional action to boost and increase the fighter's mobility.

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

krodarklorr wrote:

buckero0 wrote:
Is there only one card in the starter? Don't the tie fighters also have a tech slot?

There is only 1 of each upgrade card in the new starter kit, even though the TIE/FOs have the slot too.

Actually, There are 2 Astromech Droids.

Yes, but there is only one of each droid. Five different cards, one of each.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I'm not privy to the new starter, but how do you get to execute a second maneuver after receiving the stress token in the same activation phase?

You're only executing one maneuver.

BB-8 allows you to perform a free barrel roll when you reveal a green maneuver, meaning you perform the action before you move. When Poe (or whomever has BB-8 riding with them) activates, you turn over your dial to show a green maneuver. Now you perform a free barrel roll. After you do that, your can trigger Push the Limit to perform another action, then receive a stress token. Now you can execute the green maneuver you revealed, clearing your stress. After you finish executing the maneuver, perform your third action to complete your activation.

That is borderline shenanigans territory. I like it. So following the discussion after this post of yours, the free action from PtL can be done before the actual maneuver itself. Clever. I'd not have thought of it this way. Maybe because I am too literal.

It's been a thing with B-Wings + Adv Sensors (well, anything with a Sensor and EPT slot) for a while now, so this is different upgrades interacting, but essentially the same idea.

You'll have to forgive me, I've only been doing this for a little over 2 weeks.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
That is borderline shenanigans territory. I like it. So following the discussion after this post of yours, the free action from PtL can be done before the actual maneuver itself. Clever. I'd not have thought of it this way. Maybe because I am too literal.

Performing any action with a ship that has Push the Limit can trigger it's effect no matter when in the turn it occurs (but it can only happen once, as per the Push the Limit card). It can allow you to do some pretty neat stuff too.

For instance, if you had this guy in your squad:


Along with this guy:

With this droid:


You could do four actions in a single turn (if you are in Range 1 of Cracken). You can reveal your green maneuver, perform your free barrel roll, Push the Limit to perform a Boost action, gain a stress token, execute your green maneuver, clear your stress token, take a Focus action. Now the Combat Phase begins and you elect to shoot with Cracken first, triggering his ability and allowing Poe to take a Target Lock action.

You have now completed four actions in one turn. It's probably not going to happen often, but the fact that it can is pretty sweet.

I want that new starter so bad...

Whoops wrong sub forum...