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I will try to keep this short.

I'm new to 40 k started to build my army when Khorne Deamonkin codex was released this year . I have a good size force now and enjoy playing them causally at my flgs. But I hear rumors of a new chaos book around the corner and demons cant be far behind. Just wondering if I should think about jumping ship to one of them when they are released or should I hold out hope some years down the road when we are in 8th KDK will get a dex again? I'm sure this is any ones guess just would like some thoughts, thanks for your time!

no it wouldnt be, a likely outcome would be that it would be moved to online orders only, or it would simply be given its own spot on the shelf

simply put KDK will be its own book and until we KNOW that content of that book i wouldnt jump, for all we know GDUB did this to remove khorne themed armies from the chaos space marines book thus granting them more room to flesh out the other three alignments in the chaos space marines books.

 ionusx wrote:
no it wouldnt be, a likely outcome would be that it would be moved to online orders only, or it would simply be given its own spot on the shelf

simply put KDK will be its own book and until we KNOW that content of that book i wouldnt jump, for all we know GDUB did this to remove khorne themed armies from the chaos space marines book thus granting them more room to flesh out the other three alignments in the chaos space marines books.

Good point did not think about it giving room for the others. Thanks for your input.

There are rumours of a Tzeetch Daemonkin book on the way so there is that - and Slaneesh being removed but eh, I heard them from not very reliable sources.

Would I say it's a one time thing? No, there are other gods that people play.

But I would reserve judgement until they start promoting 40k stuff after AoS.

 Frozocrone wrote:
There are rumours of a Tzeetch Daemonkin book on the way so there is that - and Slaneesh being removed but eh, I heard them from not very reliable sources.

Would I say it's a one time thing? No, there are other gods that people play.

But I would reserve judgement until they start promoting 40k stuff after AoS.

slaneesh isnt going away in 40k thats a fantasy exclusive change and its only because theyve lumped the skaven in with the forces of chaos

It will be greatly obsolete if a new CSM codex comes out thou. (Assuming it get better than the current edition) Since KDK draws its points/upgrades/stats from the current codex a newer version would left if as an inferior version.

I've been running KDK since it came out and is a lot better than the vanilla CSM imho. If GW releases a new CSM and later a new CD codex making daemons fearless as in the KDK I wouldn't see a need for a full Khorne/Nurgle/Tz/Sla codex and could be moved unto supplements which would always use the latest rules on the CSM & CD codexes

 Lord Yayula wrote:
It will be greatly obsolete if a new CSM codex comes out thou. (Assuming it get better than the current edition) Since KDK draws its points/upgrades/stats from the current codex a newer version would left if as an inferior version.

Khorne Daemonkin makes no reference to any other codex. It will only be obsolete when the next Khorne Daemonkin codex comes out.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 Lord Yayula wrote:
It will be greatly obsolete if a new CSM codex comes out thou. (Assuming it get better than the current edition) Since KDK draws its points/upgrades/stats from the current codex a newer version would left if as an inferior version.

Khorne Daemonkin makes no reference to any other codex. It will only be obsolete when the next Khorne Daemonkin codex comes out.

Not officialy but it will be since 99% of their cost/options are the same as in the current CSM codex. If CSM codex gets legion tactics, better ways to pass Ld tests and/or cost less than the current one (not saying this will happen but IF something like this happens), then the KDK which will keep the "old" points will be infinitely more expensive and would have no point playing it when you could still get better balanced CSM and just take the fearless daemons from KDK as allies (until CD gets a new codex)

 Lord Yayula wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 Lord Yayula wrote:
It will be greatly obsolete if a new CSM codex comes out thou. (Assuming it get better than the current edition) Since KDK draws its points/upgrades/stats from the current codex a newer version would left if as an inferior version.

Khorne Daemonkin makes no reference to any other codex. It will only be obsolete when the next Khorne Daemonkin codex comes out.

Not officialy but it will be since 99% of their cost/options are the same as in the current CSM codex. If CSM codex gets legion tactics, better ways to pass Ld tests and/or cost less than the current one (not saying this will happen but IF something like this happens), then the KDK which will keep the "old" points will be infinitely more expensive and would have no point playing it when you could still get better balanced CSM and just take the fearless daemons from KDK as allies (until CD gets a new codex)

This could be a big problem for KDK because I fully expect CSM to get a big rules overhaul, at the very least points adjustments for most units. Of course, this could work in the favor of the KDK because those rules and/or points costs may be worse than before, but made better overall by a fancy detachment/formation set.

 ClassicCarraway wrote:


This could be a big problem for KDK because I fully expect CSM to get a big rules overhaul, at the very least points adjustments for most units. Of course, this could work in the favor of the KDK because those rules and/or points costs may be worse than before, but made better overall by a fancy detachment/formation set.

Yeah, it can swing both ways. With chaos you never know.

Hey, you never know. Maybe they will FAQ the Daemonkin book with the new stats if a new CSM 'dex comes out!

 ZergSmasher wrote:
Hey, you never know. Maybe they will FAQ the Daemonkin book with the new stats if a new CSM 'dex comes out!

Spoiler:

YEAH RIGHT!!!

If they change stats in SM and daemons, KDK stuff will remain unchanged. The good example is SM dreadnought getting 4 attacks while SW and BA naughts are stuck with 2 till they get the update. That's the current business model. FAQs don't bring direct money. And GW HQ is not exactly up for long-term profit for some reason. They don't see the connection between a well-written game and money.

At this point, all the rumors about future daemonkin iteractions for the other three gods do not seem to be more than wishlisting.

There have been rumors about a Tzeentch Daemonkin codex since the Khorne one was released, and so far, nothing truly reliable.

KDK was a mere excuse to sell the new Bloodthirster kit to 40k players. When you see pics of a new Lord of Change kit, then you may believe a Tzeencht DK is coming. Until then, I wouldn't hold my breath.

 Korinov wrote:
KDK was a mere excuse to sell the new Bloodthirster kit to 40k players. When you see pics of a new Lord of Change kit, then you may believe a Tzeencht DK is coming. Until then, I wouldn't hold my breath.

I'm going to agree with you Korinov, sad as I am to admit it. Chaos rarely gets attention, and when it does it always seems to be Khorne. There's even been rumours about Slaanesh going the way of the dodo, which would have significant implications for the Eldar/Dark Eldar lore to say the very least. I understand their desire to PG13+ the game, but prehaps they will refocus Slaanesh as a god of perfection and excess and leave the bewbs til after the fighting is done.