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Made in ca
Guardsman with Flashlight




Edmonton, AB

Has anyone seen this before.. someone I know is trying to push this as legit
[Thumb - zhadddd.jpg]
zhadfake

   
Made in us
Screamin' Stormboy





USA

I don't understand the complaint. Everything is pretty much 100% right except for the two parts where changes have obviously been made which is the toughness and the save. If you want my opinion however I think he should have a 4+ save because every single other ork on a bike from boyz to bosses has a 4+ and it is only a 4 point upgrade for any model anyway.

Ya Avarage Finkin Man-
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Made in us
Fresh-Faced New User




Don't know where that's from but the rules I have for Zhadsnark come from IA8 ... And those aren't them. Though they are close, so I'm guessing they are from some older source. Also is 5(6) toughness and other rules differences, apart from armor save. So not 100%, no.

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Screamin' Stormboy





USA

The 5(6) isnt a factor anymore. Here look at the last page of this it is on the FW site for free and rules are practically identicle aside from what I said. This is newer than your book btw

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Warhammer_40000/Ork_Dread_Mob_Army_List_Update.pdf

Ya Avarage Finkin Man-
"Boys before toys but all my boy's toys are boys holding toys so can the toys before the boys really be boys with toys?"
-raving lunatic
 
   
Made in us
Fresh-Faced New User




There you go. Good rules.
   
Made in ca
Guardsman with Flashlight




Edmonton, AB

Buddy just keeps claiming he can get it emailed again straight from forgeworld. It just seems pretty bad. trying to fake rules.

He always claims 4+ armour and claims T7 when he thinks he can get away with it.

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Made in us
Auspicious Daemonic Herald





 NTFH wrote:
Buddy just keeps claiming he can get it emailed again straight from forgeworld. It just seems pretty bad. trying to fake rules.

Tell him you'll email forgeworld so that you can get the rules yourself
   
Made in ca
Guardsman with Flashlight




Edmonton, AB

haha, yeah. It's just so ridiculous.

" none in the profile... but the FW email said it was copy and paste and error and he is meant to have the bike save "
   
Made in nz
Scarred Ultramarine Tyrannic War Veteran




Ankh Morpork

I'd probably allow the 4+ save personally, given it's obvious he should have a Warbike, but I've no idea where your friend is getting Toughness 7 from...
   
Made in gb
Decrepit Dakkanaut




He doesnt have the bike wargear, but he clearly has one, so really should have a 4+ save. Not toughness 7, 6 includes the increase for the bike.
   
Made in ca
Guardsman with Flashlight




Edmonton, AB

Zhadsnark 'Da Rippa' (FW) (150pts)
Da Rippa, HQ, Sitkkbombz, Slugga, Warlord, Zhadsnark
Furious Charge, Independent Character, Mob Rule, Ork Tactical Objectives, Skilled Rider, Waaagh!, Warlord, Warlord Trait: Biker Boss
Da Beast
Twin-linked Big Shoota
Da Beast, Exhaust Cloud

Warbikers specifically have WARBIKES, Zhad Doesn't. He has a special bike that can go farther, and tank shock.
   
Made in nz
Scarred Ultramarine Tyrannic War Veteran




Ankh Morpork

Yeah, we know.
   
Made in us
Bonkers Buggy Driver with Rockets





Indianapolis, IN

I've had to call forge world before about Zhadsnark. He is T6 and has a 4+ armor save because of his bike. The tough bonus from the bike is already added in to his stat line. If you want to verify yourself, you are more than welcome to email or call forge world. Also the data sheet looks cool, but that is not the official one. Lucky for you its free to get. Someone has already posted the link to the dredmob FAQ. Zhadsnark is on the last page.

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Armies:
The Iron Waagh: 10,000+ 8th Edition Tournament Record: 4-7-1
Salamanders: 5,000 8th Edition Tournament Record: 4-2
Ultramarines: 4,000
Armored Battle Company (DKoK): 4000
Elysians: 500
Khorne Daemons: 2500
 
   
Made in us
Flashy Flashgitz





Obviously some of you haven't read IA8 outside the rules portion, because in the section describing zhadsnark it specifically says he wears very light armor to stay mobile in combat. I assume fluff wise it's what gives him his other rules. So it isn't a mistake that he has 6+ armor. He eschews Eavy armor for speed.

Warboss Troil
"Less chat, more splat!" 
   
Made in us
Longtime Dakkanaut




Wichita, KS

FratHammer wrote:
Obviously some of you haven't read IA8 outside the rules portion, because in the section describing zhadsnark it specifically says he wears very light armor to stay mobile in combat. I assume fluff wise it's what gives him his other rules. So it isn't a mistake that he has 6+ armor. He eschews Eavy armor for speed.

You mean this fluff:
For an Ork warboss he is lightly armoured, a trait of the Evil Sunz bikers, who prefer speed and mobility over armoured protection.

My Warboss on bike has only basic Ork armor (6+). That is lightly armored for a warboss. But the bike is a bit heavier armor (4+). I could give him 'Eavy Armor, but my warboss prefers light armor to stay mobile in combat. When I roll a saving throw for my warboss, I always roll a 4+ for the bike, and Evil Sunz bikers have a 4+ save, so based purely on fluff we would assume zhardsnark would also have a 4+. When contacted forgeworld confirms it.

Now, is Da Beast a warbike? I don't know for sure. The rules for Exhaust cloud are different, it could be as you say and Da Beast is a very lightly armored warbike, but we don't really have an indication of that in fluff.

I run him as T6 (Like an ordinary warboss on bike), and a 4+ (Like an ordinary warboss on bike). That is how ITC runs him, and I generally play ITC.

ETA: You probably want to stick with Forgeworld's corrections. Otherwise you've got the 300 point Stompa to contend with.

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Flashy Flashgitz





I in fact feel we shouldn't use outdated rules, and I'd love FAQs proving your phone calls...
Point is, yes, he is lightly armored and not on a warbike. Warbikers are in IA8. I hate that people choose zhadsnark, then try to take mek guns (because they claim they aren't big guns)
I'm just not cool with non FAQs. Fix your book, or tournaments should not allow them.
ITC does what they feel is best for them. They make several rules calls I wouldn't, but I'll see you at LVO using their rules, because GW refuses to pay a real rules company to write their rules or at least edit them. Because they are awful at it.

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