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I think it's bs but someone is claiming you can put an IC from codex: DE in an Unit from the covens book (formations only) and they+their unit will benefit from both PFP tables at the same time. Example being a succubus in grots from a grotesquerie and saying they'll be using both tables. I tried negotiating with them but they're starting to get condescending. Please help figure this out.

Sangreel wrote:
I think it's bs but someone is claiming you can put an IC from codex: DE in an Unit from the covens book (formations only) and they+their unit will benefit from both PFP tables at the same time. Example being a succubus in grots from a grotesquerie and saying they'll be using both tables. I tried negotiating with them but they're starting to get condescending. Please help figure this out.

First of all, they need to show you what rule says you can use both. The reason for that is because the rules for Independent Characters say that they become part of the unit they join for all rules purposes.

They would use the table from the Covens book. The entire unit.

If you get the "it doesn't say I can't" excuse (it happens a lot in some places), remind them that it's a permissive rule set.

EDIT: Never mind. As Jim pointed out, it's model by model. I misremembered. My bad.

Power from Pain isn't per unit, it's per model.

So each model uses the PfP table appropriate to the book they were purchased from. The Succubus gains the benefits of the standard table, the grots get the coven table, and I don't believe any of the rules from either table are rules that transfer to the rest of a unit.

Fearless does.

While the model gets its PFP table due to its detachment there are several rules that when applied to a model apply to the whole unit.

A good example is Zealot, which is a benefit of the Coven table and provides fearless and hatred, but Zealot is a rule that passes to the unit. So if a Haemonculus from the Covens joined a unit of Incubi, when the Haemonculus gets Zealot, so to do the Incubi until the Haemonculus dies.

Most rules don't pass across, such as IWND or Furious Charge, but some do.

There you go then. Good call, I hadn't thought of Fearless/Zealot. (Those are the only two, I believe?)

A Succubus in a unit of Coven grots will still get the benefit of the Fearless rule (although she will not actually have the rule herself).

Interestingly, Zealot does not confer Fearless anymore. It is now its own rule with the same wording. (Important in the case of Dark Eldar--a unit with Zealot is still susceptible to Soul Fright attacks!)

That's really interesting, thank you. I misunderstood what was being conveyed but that makes sense. I think fear is another rule that gets conferred.

Sangreel wrote:
That's really interesting, thank you. I misunderstood what was being conveyed but that makes sense. I think fear is another rule that gets conferred.

Hmm. You only need one model with Fear to require the test, so I can see looking at it that way.