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I was playing a game in which I disembarked a group of Chaos Space Marines behind a rhino, to block line of sight and keep them safe for a turn. My opponent claimed he had line of sight with some missile launchers due to them being able to see an Icon of Wrath banner and the horns on my champion's helmet.

Can you claim line of sight to things like this, when in reality the models couldn't be hurt if shot there?

No, "decorative" things like banners, icons, even wings dont count.
Has to be head, arms, legs, torso.


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Right so you can get the conundrum of something like a Hive tyrant behind terrain with only his wings sticking out covering up completely something like a tervigon behind him and neither are able to be shot at.

Yeah Tyrant and DP wings have always been strange ones to me. But RAW and all that

Yeah, its an odd quirk of the rules where wings can't be used to draw line of sight to the model with the wings, but those same wings still block line of sight to other models.

And you can use those wings to draw line of sight from.

I thought you still had to draw LoS from your eyes or equivalent on the miniature?

Not in this edition, no.

Quick, everyone put googely eyes on your DP wings

5 Flyrants with two wings each with eyes equals.....how many eyes iz dat?

Before everyone gets too excited...

Rulebook wrote:For one model to have line of sight to another, you must be able to trace a straight, unblocked line from its body (the head, torso, arms or legs) to any part of the target’s body.
Sometimes, all that will be visible of a model is a weapon, banner or other ornament he is carrying. In these cases, the model is not visible. Similarly, we ignore wings, tails and
antennae even though they are technically part of a model’s body.

It's been argued that the last part of that is referring to LOS from the model, but we're not given any other way to define the model's 'body', and there is no reason to assume that 'body' should mean one thing for LOS from the model and another thing for LOS to the model.


It's still a long way from perfect, but it is better written than in previous editions. Although we do still have the aforementioned problem of wings not counting for LOS to or from the model, but blocking LOS to models behind them.