Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Hi guys,

lately I've been testing many combinations in my Renegades lists and I designed 2 lists. The problem is I don't know which one is better than the other. Here are both lists:

LIST A
HQ
Heretek archdemagogue with covenant of Tzentch; 4 disciples with caparace armour and lascannon: 125p

TROOPS
Renegade infantery platoon: 285p
20 men renegade infantery squad; demagogue, vox, sigil, 2 grenade launcher, m.training, heretek bonus: 105p
15 renegade infantery squad; sigil, 2 flamers, krak grenades, m.training, heretek bonus: 90p
15 renegade infantery squad; sigil, 2 grenade launchers, krak grenades, m.training, heretek bonus: 90p

Renegade infantery platoon: 320p
10 men renegade infantery squad; 2 melta, m.training: 60p
Chimera with autocannon, heavy bolter and m.training: 70p
10 men renegade infantery squad; 2 melta, m.training: 60p
Chimera with autocannon, heavy bolter and m.training: 70p
10 men renegade infantery squad; 2 melta, m.training: 60p (in valkyrie)

Renegade 3 chaos spawn squad: 55p

Renegade 3 chaos spawn squad: 55p

FAST ATTACK
Valkyrie with lascannon and m.training: 135p

HEAVY SUPPORT
Heavy ordnance battery: 165p
Earthshaken cannon with 4 crewman: 55p
Earthshaken cannon with 4 crewman: 55p
Earthshaken cannon with 4 crewman: 55p

Heavy ordnance battery: 165p
Earthshaken cannon with 4 crewman: 55p
Earthshaken cannon with 4 crewman: 55p
Earthshaken cannon with 4 crewman: 55p

Defiler: 195p


LIST B
HQ
Bloody-handed reaver archdemagogue with caparace armour,powersword, hot-shot pistol and covenant of Tzentch, 5 disciples with caparace armour, lascannon: 145p
Chimera with autocannon, heavy bolter, m.training: 70p

Enforcer cadre squad:
Enfocer cadre with plasma pistol, caparace armour: 40p (in veteran squad)
Enfocer cadre with plasma pistol, caparace armour: 40p (in veteran squad)

TROOPS
10 men squad veteran infantery squad, 2 melta gun, caparace armour, grenadiers: 140p
Chimera with autocannon, heavy bolter, m.training: 70p

10 men squad veteran infantery squad, 2 melta gun, caparace armour, grenadiers: 140p (in valkyrie)

Renegade infantery platoon: 260p
20 men squad renegade infantery squad; demagogue, sigil, 2 flamers, krak grenades, m.training: 100p
15 men squad renegade infantery squad; sigil, 2 grenade launcher, krak grenades, m.training: 80p
15 men squad renegade infantery squad; sigil, 2 grenade launcher, krak grenades, m.training: 80p

Renenage chaos spawn squad: 55p

Renenage chaos spawn squad: 55p

FAST ATTACK
Valkyrie with lascannon, m.training: 135p

HEAVY SUPPORT
Renegade heavy ordnance battery with m.training: 175p
Earthshaken cannon with 4 crewmen: 55p
Earthshaken cannon with 4 crewmen: 55p
Earthshaken cannon with 4 crewmen: 55p

Renegade heavy ordnance battery with m.training: 175p
Earthshaken cannon with 4 crewmen: 55p
Earthshaken cannon with 4 crewmen: 55p
Earthshaken cannon with 4 crewmen: 55p



both lists I think they can work fine but the small difference between each other make them different when you play with them, so can you tell me which one is better and why?

Thanks.

Looks like both are good then.

The defiled doesn't really add anything, so I guess the second list.

First thing I would say is the flat upgrade cost for carapace armour is pretty steep for only 4 models in your command squad - so drop carapace armour there.
Second thing is, and it took me a while to accept, grenade launchers are a waste of a special weapon slot. Either take more flamers for the same cost or find points for melta guns (which you'll do by removing carapace from your command squad)
Feel no pain on your infantry squads is awesome good call. Do not be afraid to take enforcers on your larger squads, they'll add morale protection and can pack a punch.

Both lists are good but like Captyn_Bob says the defiler doesn't really fit in.

Well I like defilers due the model is cool and is a good support unit (but a bit overcosted).

Thank you for your answers guys.