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I... actually don't know. Help?

Just got an idea: How about a set of Trench warfare rules? Here goes:

A trench board is littered with trenches, bunkers and barbed wire.

Trenches:

All models in a Trench has a 3+ cover save. This is to simulate them hunkering down to avoid all enemy fire. If a cover save is failed, a shot goes through the dirt and wood in the trench and strike the soldier!
When a unit assaults a unit in a trench, they receive +1WS to represent them being on higher ground. This is only in effect during the first round of combat. The attackers then pile in into the trench and lose the bonus.

Machinegun Nests:

Some trenches have machine gun nests. A machine gun nest may be occupied by a unit at a time by moving into contact with it. The unit can fire as normal, but one model may fire the machine gun. It has the profile S4 AP5 Heavy 20 Pinning, can't be moved, can't fire at anything inside its own trench, and always fires at BS1. If a model fires with it in Overwatch, it may not fight in the fight sub phase.

Bunkers:

All bunkers counts as having AV12 on all sides and 4 hull points. A single unit may occupy it and control its Machine gun.
a unit in base contact with the firing slits of a bunker may throw in a S5 AP- grenade. All models inside the bunker are automatically hit. Bunkers may only hold infantry, although units may move through it in the movement phase.

Barbed Wire:

Barbed wire counts as both Dangerous and Difficult Terrain, to simulate soldiers getting stuck in and shot at while moving through them. Barbed Wire never gives a cover save.

Artillery:

In the beginning of every player turn, a large blast with the profile S4 AP6 lands in the middle of the board. It scatters 18+2D6 inches. If it scatters off the board, roll the scatter die and 'bounce' it off the edge.

Additional Rules:

All weapons defined as artillery, a grenade or a rocket has the ignores cover special rule.
All units moving in and out of trenches take a difficult terrain test before moving normally, to show how they run out filled with equal parts of bravery and stupidity.
All blast templates that land with the hole in a trench (after scattering) gets the Shred special rule.

Eh? Looks good?

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Attackers should get +1 WS when charging because they have the high ground
The machine gun nest needs pinning to represent the gunner spraying bullets everywhere and the enemy being forced to take cover

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I... actually don't know. Help?

Ah, right, fixed that

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Should blast templates that "land in" the trench (center of the template is in the trench) get shred due to the sheer closed in space?

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I... actually don't know. Help?

Hm, good point!

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Should there be rules about vehicles attempting to cross a trench?

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I... actually don't know. Help?

Hmm, I don't know, what do you suggest? I want tanks to be able to cross them, but not other vehicles... Hm.

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I feel that non tanks would get stuck in a trench if they tried to cross them

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Eastern VA

Dangerous terrain check at -1, vehicles with the Tank special rule get a 4+ invulnerable save against Immobilized results from crossing a trench?

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jade_angel wrote:
Dangerous terrain check at -1, vehicles with the Tank special rule get a 4+ invulnerable save against Immobilized results from crossing a trench?


That may work...

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The machine gun should just be a twin linked hevy stubber or a heavy stubber with six shots beacuse the weapon your describing is a punisher gatling cannon from a leman russ.
   
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 e.earnshaw wrote:
The machine gun should just be a twin linked hevy stubber or a heavy stubber with six shots beacuse the weapon your describing is a punisher gatling cannon from a leman russ.


its actually a Storm Bolter with 10 barrels

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Eastern VA

I'd propose that the machine gun should fire at full ballistic skill, count as a gun emplacement, and be freely selectable from the following list:

Hot-shot volley gun
Twin-linked heavy stubber
Heavy bolter

Then, for extra points, be upgradable to:

Assault cannon
Autocannon

Shuriken cannon - Eldar, Harlequins only
Splinter cannon - Dark Eldar only
Burst cannon - Tau only
Tesla destructor - Necrons only
Psycannon - Grey Knights only

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jade_angel wrote:
I'd propose that the machine gun should fire at full ballistic skill, count as a gun emplacement, and be freely selectable from the following list:

Hot-shot volley gun
Twin-linked heavy stubber
Heavy bolter

Then, for extra points, be upgradable to:

Assault cannon
Autocannon

Shuriken cannon - Eldar, Harlequins only
Splinter cannon - Dark Eldar only
Burst cannon - Tau only
Tesla destructor - Necrons only
Psycannon - Grey Knights only


I still think it needs pinning, but otherwise this is actually a great idea

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For tau, I'd suggest something more along the lines of the long barreled burst cannon. The burst cannon is not really better than the HB (AP5vs4, less range). The long barreled burst cannon is however (being a six shot, 36" burst cannon).


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That being said, if tau are using trench warfare, something has gone seriously wrong on their end.

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 Co'tor Shas wrote:
For tau, I'd suggest something more along the lines of the long barreled burst cannon. The burst cannon is not really better than the HB (AP5vs4, less range). The long barreled burst cannon is however (being a six shot, 36" burst cannon).


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That being said, if tau are using trench warfare, something has gone seriously wrong on their end.


Tau vs Imperial Fists and Death Korps of Krieg in Trench warfare... That should be fun

H.B.M.C.- The end hath come! From now on armies will only consist of Astorath, Land Speeder Storms and Soul Grinders!
War Kitten- Vanden, you just taunted the Dank Lord Ezra. Prepare for seven years of fighting reality...
koooaei- Emperor: I envy your nipplehorns. <Magnus goes red. Permanently>
Neronoxx- If our Dreadnought doesn't have sick scuplted abs, we riot.
Frazzled- I don't generally call anyone by a term other than "sir" "maam" "youn g lady" "young man" or " HEY bag!"
Ruin- It's official, we've ran out of things to talk about on Dakka. Close the site. We're done.
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Steve steveson- To be clear, I'd sell you all out for a bottle of scotch and a mid priced hooker.
 
   
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New England

I first read the "3+ Cover Save to models in trenches" sentence as all models in the trench take a 3+ save to decide if they were actually hit or not, THEN they take their normal armour save.

Would that make sense? It seems more realistic, even if it is not in line with normal Cover Rules. But then again, this aint normal.

   
 
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