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I was looking at it and most people prefer sword because of the invul save, but if you think about it its exactly like the IK that's got the sword and gauntlet the only difference is really GC vs walker and initiative- not that op, so is it just that cannon form can kill 2 squards? When you think about it I feel like its more of a stereotype than actual opness

Yeah... no.

If you had to guess, what would you say is the heavy hitting powerhouse of the Khorne Daemonkin Codex?

Would you say the Bloodthirster of Insensate Rage? AKA the D Thirster?

You would? Oh that's interesting. See he's just like the Wraithknight. Except he's Toughness 6 instead of 8. Not too bad considering he costs less and has a much higher WS.

Well it wouldn't be too bad if he didn't strike at Initiative ONE compared to the Wraithknights FIVE. Oh yeah and he's not Gargantuan so no Feel no Pain, Poison and Sniper still work, and he doesn't get stomp.

So the Wraithknight is significantly better in every single manner compared to the D Thirster, for just a few more points.

/rant

The initiaitive five and getting an invulnerable save in CC is why it is so much better than a Knight, on top of being cheaper.

The cannons are one shot each. If you get tanks or IKs to shoot, they can be great. If the only other thing they have to shoot is infantry, well, then they are doing a whole lot of diddly, and will probably want to charge in to stomp things anyways.

T8 monsters with 12" move, Str : D attacks and initiative 5 should not cost so little. It's not underpriced by 40 pts, it is underpriced by 100 pts. This is an actual thing.

Not to mention tournaments nerf ranged D weapons

Initiative 5.

That means the WK can take on 385 point knights, D-thirsters, 770 point stompas, heck anything he wants he's got a D weapon, whoever strikes first has a HUGE chance to win by default.

The odds of anyone remaining standing after a d weapon exchange is low. It is statistically unlikely for any Superheavy to survive 4-5 D attacks. Therefore whoever strikes first usually wins.


And who strikes first? The derpknight. Every time. At 300 points it has the highest initiative of anything holding a D-weapon.

Wraithknights are OP anyway you cut the cake. Regardless of weapon options, you have a sub-300 point Gargantuan Creature with Stomp, 12" move, T8, borderline immunity to poison and sniper weapons, S10/D in CC, Stomp, access to ranged D weapons, and don't forget Stomp.

the_scotsman wrote:
Initiative 5.

That means the WK can take on 385 point knights, D-thirsters, 770 point stompas, heck anything he wants he's got a D weapon, whoever strikes first has a HUGE chance to win by default.

The odds of anyone remaining standing after a d weapon exchange is low. It is statistically unlikely for any Superheavy to survive 4-5 D attacks. Therefore whoever strikes first usually wins.


And who strikes first? The derpknight. Every time. At 300 points it has the highest initiative of anything holding a D-weapon.

The Kytan is also I5 with it's big ol' D-Axe. It's 200 points more and will probably also go down, but it has a decent chance if it gets into CC.

The wraithknight is 100 points undercosted when compared to every other gargantuan creature in the game. Gargantuan creatures also shouldn't have resistance to poison and sniper, superheavy vehicles don't have any innate resistance to haywire, melta, or lance so it's only fair that the counter weapons for gargantuan creatures shouldn't be penalized.

 Crazyterran wrote:
The initiaitive five and getting an invulnerable save in CC is why it is so much better than a Knight, on top of being cheaper.

The cannons are one shot each. If you get tanks or IKs to shoot, they can be great. If the only other thing they have to shoot is infantry, well, then they are doing a whole lot of diddly, and will probably want to charge in to stomp things anyways.

Still blows my mind that it is cheaper.

Actually, the reason it is more expensive than the knight is actually the jump classification (35 points) than the initiative 5 (10 points) toughness 8 3+ is as survivable as av 13/13/12 so there is a 20 point survivability difference there as well.

If you want to see where these points are comming from, you can check out the work I've done updating the old vehicle and monstrous creature design rules from 4th ed (link in sig)

I relish the day things like Bloodthirsters and Greater Daemons become Gargants, and things like Soul Grinders become Super Heavies, so that I may pwn tournaments while watching scrubs on my Iphone and fiddling with my bonnet as my opponents contemplate climbing a clock tower.

Wraithknight and Tau Supremacy suit are way too cheap, no matter the configuration

 Lobukia wrote:
Wraithknight and Tau Supremacy suit are way too cheap, no matter the configuration

then you can throw the Imperail knight into that mix. 370 points, but it is a walker and that is itès only downfall

The ta'unar is SUBSTANTIALLY undercosted, somewhere to the tune of 430 points.

A riptide as a walker would av 12/11/10 and be 25 points cheaper if it was a 5hull point walker (loss of points due to losing smash for the most part). Would you be OK with that tradeoff of survivability for the bonus of having the same firepower but being able to field 75 points of other things when you field three?