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I get that Marines are almighty and any non mortal wounds can be replaced with bionics. But what about others outside of Marines, would Commissars get their arms replaced? IG Captains? Sargents? What about the normal guardsman, I mean they are fodder is it worth it replacing an arm or in the future are bionics so common that its common practice? Would concripts? Penal Legion? Just a thought which crossed my mind.

Also what about other races, kroot? Tau?

I think it all depends on the regiment and who's commanding them. I could see them just leaving penal legionaries to die. I'd like to think guardsmen are stabilized but if they can still function they probably still fulfill some essential role, that'd be a lot of manpower to discard.

I don't think anyone gets a free ticket home if they're wounded though, you either continue serving in some way or die for the Emperor.

There are plenty of models and characters who've got bionic eyes and hands. Guardsmen are replaceable but they're probably gonna try to get as much time as they can out of a good leader.

Pretty well, for everything I've seen. Medical care is surprisingly pretty advanced, considering how backwards everything else is, and acess to bionics (of varying quality) seem available to many. depending on your level of wealth or your use to the Imperium. Because Nurgle exists as a threat too, a lot of resources go into disease control and cures.

Though I'm sure I read somewhere that euthenasia is a thing in the Imperium, though not an across-the-board thing. I imagine if you're poor and require a lifetime of one-to-one care due to your injuries, or are well past your useful working life on the lower floors of a hive world, your local doctor may just slip you an overdose.

The Imperium (unless rich) is likely not a great place for an invalid anyway. But as long as you can remain useful afterwards, it seems like there's a lot they can patch up.

It varies wildly. The fluff has shown some folks essentially being forced to serve until they die, regardless of injuries. When access to medical personnel permits, though, normal folks tend to receive decent medical care.

Commissar Cain does get bionics to replace his missing finger. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect anyone of officer rank or above to be eligible for bionic augmentation. Regiments from wealthier worlds might have better medics, better tech, or better connections for medical supplies, so I'd expect, say, a tech world regiment to have a higher chance of getting bionics than a regiment from a feudal world.

Gaunt gets replacement eyes and significant reconstructive surgery at one point. All kinds of Inquisitors and Sisters of Battle have extensive augmetic replacement parts. Even whats-his-face from the Gaunt's Ghost's series gets an augmetic jaw when his gets blown off, and he was just some line grunt.

Gaunt's Ghosts is full of grunts who get cybernetics - a sweeper man who get geordie-style augmetic eyes, a trooper who gets a replacement shoulder, an adjutant who gets an augmetic throat (that makes him sound sarcastic, if he didn't anyway), etc, etc.

Because the AdMech are obsessed with replacing weak flesh with good iron, there's a massive cybernetics culture in the Imperium. They don't call cybernetic replacements 'prosthetics' at all - they call them augmetics, from augment, meaning improve.

Cybernetics are one of the areas that Imperial Technology is most advanced in, even more so than their weapons technology. Replacement shoulders, arms, legs, eyes, these are so trivial that they hand them out like lasguns. You only have to pay extra or get special treatment for augmetics that let you continue to look human, and that's because the AdMech take pride in looking like metallic body-horrors. It's basically a bribe to make them work against their values by hiding their work.

Replacement limbs are basicly like minor surgery, there rather metallic, obvious but all work and depending on the rank can be like for like or far more advanced than any human limb.

The technology to patch you is pretty advanced, its not discreet often but even what modern day would call a massive life altering injury in that universe is often just a simple operation to replace the damaged or lost limb.

The lower limit for rudimentary bionics is probably successful penal legions. If you are a proven useful asset, capable of doing your job better by having both hands, then the Imperium will strap one back onto you. It won't be as pretty or articulate as an officer's, but it'll function on some base level. May be a static prosthetic if you're not terribly lucky.

I always figured that the Tanith get good grade augmented replacements because who exactly is going to say no to a Colonel-Commissar? If he wants bionic eyes, you don't look at cost, you ask him what colour.

For my favourite example of Imperial medical expertise, look at Yarrick.

He's a grumpy old grandpa waaay past his prime, kept alive by drugs and a stubborn refusal to die. To date, he's had a bionic eye that fires lasers (presumably having a battery pack in his head), he's had an Ork's power klaw attached to his shoulder, and made into a functional limb, despite being just a giant lump of pointy electrified metal weighing more than he does (and probably requiring spinal reinforcements to lift it), and he's gone multiple rounds with Ghazkhull without dying (and presumably extensively patched up after each one).

Fething legend.

 Selym wrote:
For my favourite example of Imperial medical expertise, look at Yarrick.

He's a grumpy old grandpa waaay past his prime, kept alive by drugs and a stubborn refusal to die. To date, he's had a bionic eye that fires lasers (presumably having a battery pack in his head), he's had an Ork's power klaw attached to his shoulder, and made into a functional limb, despite being just a giant lump of pointy electrified metal weighing more than he does (and probably requiring spinal reinforcements to lift it), and he's gone multiple rounds with Ghazkhull without dying (and presumably extensively patched up after each one).

Fething legend.

But he only loves cause the orks think he should live...

Ork belief does not do the impossible. It seems to often create self-fulfilling prophecies (such as Yarrick's Bale Eye), but they cannot break reality.

Except that Ork vehicles really do go faster when painted red...

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Except that Ork vehicles really do go faster when painted red...

Extra speed is not impossible. Just occasionally improbable.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Except that Ork vehicles really do go faster when painted red...

It could be instead that not painting them red makes their vehicles slower, but this is simply coincidence due to generally poor construction and/or mainenance that naturally follows not keeping on top of things.

It's like me saying "clean cars break down less". Statistically, that's probably true, but only because people who keep their cars clean, also tend to stay on top of other problems with their cars.

Red vehicles may just be going at their maximum capable speed, while non-painted vehicles are not.

Guardsmen can indeed receive bionics. See Gaunts Ghosts.

They're gonna be very crappy bionics of course, unless you got money or are high enough rank.

Mechanical augmentations for lower ranked troopers. Rich regiments or commanders can afford cloned limbs if they prefer.

The Crew Reclamation Facility could take care off the wounded...

One thing to consider too, is that wounds are likely not all that common unless you're someone like a Space Marine.

You're not encountering small arms fire like you do in a current conflict, or enemies that use rules of engagement. You're dealing with advanced weapons of mass destruction, and ruthless foes. Most injuries are likely always mortal or fatal outside of Power Armour (in the fluff, not the rules), and those that aren't will be killed where they lay by the enemy.

Any other injuries are likely light or something that hit and destroyed a limb. The former, they'll throw you back in, the latter, bionic, or shipped off behind the lines. Any injuries to the head or torso, you're likely never even surviving the initial hit.

And that's if you're fighting on the ground. In space, you're only likely going to be injured if your ship takes significant damage, and if your ship takes significant damage, then you're likely all going to be exposed to the vacuum of space and killed anyway.

Cheery. But makes sense.

Maybe there's a LOT of metal on Fenris, and maybe Iron Priests have a lot of time on their hands, but Space Wolves give cybernetics to their Fenrisian Wolves. That bespeaks pretty easily-accessible cybernetics.

I love the "Mechanical augmentations" euphemism for conversion into servitors. Don't worry you you will be fine the techpriest will give you some mechanical augmentations.

It also will depend on who you ask on this forum as well

There are some people who love to up the grimdark factor and pretty much say "they will be grinded into hamburgers then fed to the children of the surviving guardsmen, who will then be deemed heretics for practicing cannibalism and be burned at the stake"

While others would say that it depends on the regiment, situation and resources at hand

Also worth noting are the Orders Hospitaller of the Adepta Sororitas:

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Orders_Hospitaller

So skilled are the Sisters Hospitaller that they are regarded as saints by the common soldiery, who far prefer their gentle ministrations to the crude work undertaken by the field surgeons of the Departmento Munitorum. The Orders Hospitaller provides surgeons, physicians and nurses. The Sisters Hospitaller are amongst the most skilled and compassionate surgeons in the Imperium

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oldzoggy wrote:
I love the "Mechanical augmentations" euphemism for conversion into servitors. Don't worry you you will be fine the techpriest will give you some mechanical augmentations.

"you'll get a better gun and everything!"

Also what about other races,

I love this part of an older ork book.




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For those who would like to read of ork medical treatment the first 19 pages of " 'Ere we go " are dedicated to pain boys and bionics.
With all kinds of stuff you would not believe the have existed, such as squig brain transplants.

Orks? Orks are easy.

Gather up all the various Orky bits and staple them back together. You might actually end up with more Orks than you started with.

 Psienesis wrote:
Orks? Orks are easy.

Gather up all the various Orky bits and staple them back together. You might actually end up with more Orks than you started with.

Indeed. You can also put a severed head on a new body and it will, probably, heal shortly.

Gorkamorka had a D66 table to determine just what kind of bioniks your boyz came back from the dok's with.

Sometimes an ork would injure his arm and come back from the doc as a green skinned unicycle.

But the rest of his body would be used for another Ork's head, so it worked out.