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The Old Ones created extremely powerful Warp using race like the Eldar and Kork. The Tyranids, a alien race that came from outside the galaxy could somehow effect the warp with the shadow and certain Tyranid troops could also use powerful warp based attacks. Because of this i think the Tyranids were created by the Old Ones just like the Orks and Eldar. I think legit xeno races that the old ones have nothing to do with are the ones thats not warp related and just use pure technology like the Tau and Necron. I think the Emperor might be a Old One or a creation of the Old One since he is the strongest post-WIH psyker. He defeated a Void Dragon shard so he could probably stalemate the full void or he might be a little weaker than the full void dragon. And there was a great war between the Old Ones who are masters of the warp and the C'tans. The C'tans might have won but the Old Ones weren't pushover. Would also support the Emperor being one of the surviving old ones or a old one that reincarnated himself through some powerful warp ability. These are just my theories, what do you guys think?

TBH I think it would be possible for the Tyranids to be created by the Old Ones at some point, maybe they were then tainted by Chaos but could not have been controlled by it for one reason or another. But them creating the Emprah, I don't think so. Maybe the Shamans though?

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Nope. The Old Ones have nothing to do with the Tyranids.

By the time the Old Ones left the Galaxy (if they weren't actually just all killed) their main enemies were the Necrons and the C'tan, and the Warp was their most potent weapon against those foes, with the young races of the Eldar and Orks mobilised for the fight too.

So why would they create a race that required constant biomass to survive, and blocked out the Warp? Such a race could only target their allies and weaken their advantages, with fundamental weaknesses against the Necrons and C'tan. If anything, the theory that they were created by the C'tan known as the Outsider makes more sense for that reason.

The most obvious and simple theory is probably the correct one though - that they're just an extra-Galactic species with no particular origins the Milky Way. My personal (joke) theory is a spin on the theory that states the Tyranids are fleeing something worse. During the Dark Age of Technology, what if super-advanced Humans colonised the nearest Galaxy and kicked the Tyranids out? The irony being the terrible thing they're fleeing is US!

The emperor is not an old one. He is just not old enough.
If Iwould have to guess this would be how I would connect them.

Old ones -> Influenced human development
Humans -> Made the emperor
The emperors stupidity -> Lures the tyranids.




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There is also be the possibility of the star craft plot.

could somehow effect the warp with the shadow and certain Tyranid troops could also use powerful warp based attacks.

Tyranids do not use warp based attacks. Their psychic powers and attacks are generated from the gestalt consiousness of the Hive mind and its latent psychic strenght, not the Warp. Nids dont "tap" the warp for power like other psykers. They simply use the psychic game mechanic rules. When a Nid fails a PT they die from psychic feedback or overload not warp damage.

Because of this i think the Tyranids were created by the Old Ones just like the Orks and Eldar.

Its possible but fluff neither confirms or denies it. Its more likely the Nids are truely extra Galactic and have been roaming the Universe in various forms since time immemorial.

Agree with Hirophant.
If the Tyranids were created by anyone, Its the Ctan.
But really, theyre just the first step to being a ork,
as a ork is to a human, a ork is to a bug

the ancient wrote:
Agree with Hirophant.
If the Tyranids were created by anyone, Its the Ctan.
But really, theyre just the first step to being a ork,
as a ork is to a human, a ork is to a bug

Orks are made by the old ones....

 Tardzan wrote:
The Old Ones created extremely powerful Warp using race like the Eldar and Kork. The Tyranids, a alien race that came from outside the galaxy could somehow effect the warp with the shadow and certain Tyranid troops could also use powerful warp based attacks. Because of this i think the Tyranids were created by the Old Ones just like the Orks and Eldar. I think legit xeno races that the old ones have nothing to do with are the ones thats not warp related and just use pure technology like the Tau and Necron. I think the Emperor might be a Old One or a creation of the Old One since he is the strongest post-WIH psyker. He defeated a Void Dragon shard so he could probably stalemate the full void or he might be a little weaker than the full void dragon. And there was a great war between the Old Ones who are masters of the warp and the C'tans. The C'tans might have won but the Old Ones weren't pushover. Would also support the Emperor being one of the surviving old ones or a old one that reincarnated himself through some powerful warp ability. These are just my theories, what do you guys think?

Hissy is also less than impressed with these "ideas"........

One theory I like is that the Tryanids were created by the few surviving old ones but at some point they lost control and were consumed by them creating the psychic might of the hive mind. Being incomplete and having the minds of the old ones diffused made them attack and consume the galaxy they were created in then began searching in all directions for our galaxy and finally got directions from a big psychic light bulb which is why they are coming from multiple directions.

 Ratius wrote:

could somehow effect the warp with the shadow and certain Tyranid troops could also use powerful warp based attacks.

Tyranids do not use warp based attacks. Their psychic powers and attacks are generated from the gestalt consiousness of the Hive mind and its latent psychic strenght, not the Warp. Nids dont "tap" the warp for power like other psykers. They simply use the psychic game mechanic rules. When a Nid fails a PT they die from psychic feedback or overload not warp damage.

Because of this i think the Tyranids were created by the Old Ones just like the Orks and Eldar.

Its possible but fluff neither confirms or denies it. Its more likely the Nids are truely extra Galactic and have been roaming the Universe in various forms since time immemorial.

Yes they do, this theory was shot down a long time ago, tyranid focus the hive mind, the hive mind is in the warp, the nids draw on the energy of a warp consciousness, therefore it's warp energy.

It's the exact same thing as the space wolves believing they focus the power of fenris to use psy powers, just cos they think it's so, don't make it so, also "warp field" "warp blast" "synapse creature" etc. All psychic abilities, all psy abilities use the warp in some manner.

“Many Tyranids are also Psykers. They do not draw power from the Warp in any fathomable way, but rather they harness a fraction of the Hive Mind’s gestalt will. This makes no difference for game purposes and these models follow all the normal rules for Psykers – a Perils of the Warp attack they suffer instead represents massive cerebral trauma or synaptic feedback. Tyranid Psykers use the Powers of the Hive Mind, which is treated as a psychic discipline for all rules purposes.”

Excerpt From: Games Workshop Ltd. “Codex: Tyranids.” iBooks.
This material may be protected by copyright.

Guys, guys, the answer is actually really simple.

The Tyranids are the Old Ones.

At some point after fleeing the galaxy, the Old Ones' continued messing about with their own psychic powers and biology led to them eventually artificially evolving themselves to the point where they transcended individuality, their warp presence coalescing into a single, god-like entity - much in the same manner as the Eldar created Slaanesh, and intend to spawn Ynneath.

Once the Old Ones had achieved this apotheosis, they turned their attention back to their physical forms. Uncertain as to whether they required these meat-puppets to continue existing in some way due to the reflective nature of the Warp, they continued to engineer their flesh avatars, distilling the different subspecies from the original genus until the biodiversity recognisable today had been achieved.

It makes a lot more sense that the C'tan created the Tyranids as they had no understanding or ability with the warp, so they invent something in the physical realm that has the ability to adapt and consume the psykers they are so damaged by.

The old ones tampered with Humanities dna to create psykers and voila, Emperor gestalt being.

The time-line for Humans/Old Ones interacting is off by many millions of years to be feasible.

If the Hive Mind is the Old Ones, then you would think it recognizes that the things it's eating aren't Necrons, and are actually the descendents of things it created. Doesn't make sense.

According to the Hive Fleet Horror short story, the Tyranids are far older than the Necrons, which kinda sinks this whole theory.

The Emperor is not an Old One as they were around 60+ million years before him. The Tyranid could be an Old One creation and I've thought the same thing. The theory that I have is that as a last ditch effort the Old Ones, who have fled to their furthest, safest places, attempt to create a final race to scour the galaxy of the Necron menace but the project goes wrong and the Tyranid escapes.

Here's some quotes from the Necron and Tyranid Codex, I think they are 5th ed ones, that could lend a bit of credence to the theory.

Codex: Necrons wrote:The Race that would become the Necrons began their existence under a fearsome, scouring star, billions of years before mankind evolved on Terra

Codex: Necrons wrote:Necron Legions finally broached the webway and assailed the old ones in every corner of the galaxy

Codex: Necrons wrote:The Silent King's final command to his people was that they must sleep for 60 million years

Codex: Necrons wrote:Having encountered Tyranids in the intergalactic void, he recognises the threat they pose to the Necrons' apotheosis - If the Tyranids devour all life in the galaxy, the Necrons will never find living bodies ...

Codex Tyranids wrote:The Tyranids are not native to our Galaxy. They have travelled through the bleak intergalactic space between galaxies for countless millennia

Codex Tyranids wrote:It is possible that the Tyranids have been preying on Galaxies since time Immemorial and ours is the but the latest to feel it predations

The Silent King encountering the Tyranids and coming back to the Milky Way to awaken the Necrons is much more recent history than the rest of the Necrons, though.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Guys, guys, the answer is actually really simple.

The Tyranids are the Old Ones.

At some point after fleeing the galaxy, the Old Ones' continued messing about with their own psychic powers and biology led to them eventually artificially evolving themselves to the point where they transcended individuality, their warp presence coalescing into a single, god-like entity - much in the same manner as the Eldar created Slaanesh, and intend to spawn Ynneath.

Once the Old Ones had achieved this apotheosis, they turned their attention back to their physical forms. Uncertain as to whether they required these meat-puppets to continue existing in some way due to the reflective nature of the Warp, they continued to engineer their flesh avatars, distilling the different subspecies from the original genus until the biodiversity recognisable today had been achieved.

Nah, this is all just a long-con of GW getting revenge at Blizzard winning the lawsuit.
Just before the Apocalypse, the Tyranids as you described, but they are going to be revealed as the Old Ones gathering biomatter to strengthen their army so that they can fight da true evil, da FUZIONS.
It will be a mysterious hybrid race of all the major factions except for humans, super powerful and OP as hell, and all three(dozen) factions will need to team up to beat them.
Meanwhile in the 3rd millennium, an entire fandom inexplicably quits a tabletop strategy game.

 Psienesis wrote:
The Silent King encountering the Tyranids and coming back to the Milky Way to awaken the Necrons is much more recent history than the rest of the Necrons, though.

Yeah, that one I wasn't so sure of but the others aren't too far off to at least give a glimmer of it being possible. But at least it shows that upon his travels, which probably took awhile, he came across them also travelling.

 Psienesis wrote:
The Silent King encountering the Tyranids and coming back to the Milky Way to awaken the Necrons is much more recent history than the rest of the Necrons, though.

We don't actually know what the timeline for this is, since we don't know how fast he's travelling.

Hierophant wrote:
During the Dark Age of Technology, what if super-advanced Humans colonised the nearest Galaxy and kicked the Tyranids out? The irony being the terrible thing they're fleeing is US!

Not too far-fetched. There was that one book, uh, Death of Integrity, where a Ship from the DAOT returned from another galaxy (having been sent exploring millenia before). The ship itself was sentient and resented the Imperium for killing its crew (tortured to death as heretics for not believing in the god-emperor).

A whole Galaxy full of sentient, DAOT ships with DAOT powerful humans at the helm would probably be able to easily deal with the nids. DAOT tech even puts Eldar technology to shame and with the numbers humanity can amass that would be a truly terrifying (and potentially unstoppable) force.

According to the ~of Mars trilogy, DAOT tech just about makes parity with Eldar tech. :p The Speranza, a mega-ship, was only just capable of destroying the Starblade, a light cruiser using a super-weapon to do so, while the Starblade was confined by draught and couldn't use most of its Eldar mobility.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
According to the ~of Mars trilogy, DAOT tech just about makes parity with Eldar tech. :p The Speranza, a mega-ship, was only just capable of destroying the Starblade, a light cruiser using a super-weapon to do so, while the Starblade was confined by draught and couldn't use most of its Eldar mobility.

You forget to mention that the Speranza managed to track said Eldar cruiser in the middle of a warp-storm. The Eldar ship couldn't even get a lock and yet the tech of the Speranza managed to lock on, track and eliminate the target in a single shot.

No, it didn't.

It fired a shot at where it thought the Starblade should be, and managed to hit it purely because it was firing a shot with a blast radius larger than most stars. Also, it wasn't a warp storm - they were in realspace. It was a gravitic anomaly.

It basically used WW2 flak tactics.

according to the wikia:

Speranza: The Speranza is an Ark Mechanicus, that served as part of Magos Lexell Kotov's Explorator Fleet into the the region of space known as the Halo Zone

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Omnissiah's Victory: The Omnissiah's Victory is an Ark Mechanicus with a long and storied history. It is rumoured (albeit without proof) to predate the Great Crusade, and is definitely known for having participated in the Noloptis Crusade during the 33rd Millennium. The Omnissiah's Victory is armed with vast arrays of weapons batteries, lances, and a Nova Cannon, and is thought to be the original basis for the design of the Imperial Navy's Retribution-class Battleship.