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They were accountants, not lawyers. One of them works for the Gibraltarian government in the tax office. Accordingly, you may be right, you may be waaaaaay off-track. I'm simply relating what a pair of Gibraltarians who know something about money have told me. You'll forgive me if I trust them over a faceless account on Dakka though.
Figures are out there and easy to catch. Most Gibraltarians well tell you as much after a pint or two.
Again: why do you think that some of the most nationalistic British citizens voted so overwhelmingly remain? They don't like the EU more than the average Brit. They just know they'll be hit the first and the hardest.
Future War Cultist wrote: If I read that right, that would mean no tariffs on all the goods they sell to us, but the services we provide to them will have levies on them yes?
No tariffs on the goods sold either way, subject to origin checks (i.e. if it's mostly Chinese, it's still treated as Chinese for the sake of tariffs) - so we can't become a cheap back door to the EU.
It's implying there will be tariffs on services (of which we're in the surplus), and that any workaround for that is proportional - we can't just brass-plate an office in Brussels and trade as normal from London.
So the concern is that cars we put together in the UK might not pass the origin checks, and may still be subject to tariffs, but everything else should flow pretty well.
Goods don't include food, which may still be subject to tariffs.
It's about as good a deal as we can expect if we want to get rid of FoM.
In many senses it mirrors the recently signed Canada - EU deal. 99% of goods, no services. Further than that you need to start paying in.
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Figures are out there and easy to catch. Most Gibraltarians well tell you as much after a pint or two.
Again: why do you think that some of the most nationalistic British citizens voted so overwhelmingly remain? They don't like the EU more than the average Brit. They just know they'll be hit the first and the hardest.
Mate, I'm not arguing this one. I could spend the next four hours digging around statistics to form an independent opinion, but I'd rather just roll with the opinions of two old Gib uni friends (one of which literally works for the government in the tax office there) and get on with my own research paper. It's simply not important enough to me right now to be worth crunching the data separately over.
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So, in summary, just five days after Article 50 was triggered, we've threatened France with more terrorist attacks and Spain with all out war.
Whilst members of the govt are, possibly -- was the express after all -- planning on spending £500M on new -- but BLUE -- passports.
whilst people in the Scum newspaper are referring to the Spanish as ..well...
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whilst in the Daily Mail...well.....
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Many thanks to those of you who have committed us to this bold new era.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
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"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
To be fair that's probably the best solution for everyone. Remainers no longer have to suffer the misery of being turfed out the EU without rational thought. Leavers can be put out their misery because most aren't happy even though they are now Leaving without rational thought by the government and the la la land is quickly turning out not to exist. Trident Submarine captains are happy as they can test the firing accuracy of the nukes. The rest of the world is happy because they no longer have to put up with Britain whinging about everything. And Spain is happy because it gets Gibraltar back.
On the issue of the Gibraltar it appears May has a choice between the Rock and a hard place...
"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!
"It's not a problem if you don't look up." - Dakka's approach to politics
To be fair that's probably the best solution for everyone. Remainers no longer have to suffer the misery of being turfed out the EU without rational thought. Leavers can be put out their misery because most aren't happy even though they are now Leaving without rational thought by the government and the la la land is quickly turning out not to exist.
Blimey. I wasn't aware my life outside the EU was so bad it needed to be ended. Then again, I suppose if it spares me some of the hyperbole.....
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
Interesting logic concept, but what if Spain attacks first? No more giant strawberries and unseasonal tomatoes...
Also, not sure about the article saying the Navy is that much weaker currently. It is about to commission the two Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers, which are far more capable than the aircraft carriers used during the Faukland wars, not to mention some of the other ships in the RN currently are some of the most advanced in the world- notably the type-45 destroyer. There are less ships, but they are more powerful. Spain is also close enough to be hit by aircraft from mainland Britain too, so it isn't just a navy fight, and aircraft carriers may not be needed anyway. Whilst I highly doubt things would ever get that far, I do wonder what Portugal would do in that situation. Probably stay neutral, but I suspect there would be pressure from both sides for them to help.
ChargerIIC wrote: If algae farm paste with a little bit of your grandfather in it isn't Grimdark I don't know what is.
We're entering the realms of fantasy with all this talk about war.
I've never heard so much God damn nonsense in a long time.
Thankfully, cooler heads have prevailed and Michael Howard has been put back in his box where he belongs.
As to earlier comments, NATO has had member states at each other's throats in the past with Greece and Turkey getting rowdy over Cyprus, but thankfully, that was resolved.
I don't expect the Gibraltar situation to go that far.
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Yeah it's stupid. We should be focusing on the real issues, like the future tariffs. If the EU insists upon putting tariffs on our services then I'm not sure if we should let them get away with tariff free goods.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
To be fair...its the House of Lords where the median age is like...70. Nursing home fights over volume are the #3 leading cause of death after pudding withdrawal and disappointing grandchildren.
On a more serious note...yeah thats pretty absurd given the political realities facing the UK though
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Vaktathi wrote: To be fair...its the House of Lords where the median age is like...70. Nursing home fights over volume are the #3 leading cause of death after pudding withdrawal and disappointing grandchildren.
On a more serious note...yeah thats pretty absurd given the political realities facing the UK though
True. Though drama viewers throughout uk paying there tv license get there moneys worth lol.
Aye. We have alot of far bigger problems they could be debating.
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
Future War Cultist wrote: I suppose they have to find some way to justify their generous daily allowances. What a shower of bastards.
I think there is a lot of lack of empathy here. Despite my general reservation at the way a large proportion of the elderly were hoodwinked into voting for Brexit, they are still a large proportion of the population and these things do matter to their lives even if it doesn't matter to some of us. As the Tories ram more and more cuts down peoples throats, more elderly are being condemned to live in their own home with their interaction with the wider world being a 20 min visit by a health care worker once every so often and after that it is just the TV or radio. For these people the TV might be the only part of life they get and therefore inaudible speech does have an impact on their life. Next time people want to criticise these sorts of debates the best thing to do is think about the people who it affects and then reconsider how important the issue might be to other people. Imagine if all you could do was sit down in front of a TV and every eight hours be given a hand to go to the loo.
Now compare this to Theresa May today who seems to be taking lessons from Trump by reading right wing papers like the Scum or Daily Fail and then coming out and condemning a company for not using the word Easter because they wanted their events to be multiculturally based (that's after ignoring Easter is all over the place on the adverts). Now lets think who is exactly wasting tax payers money? I would suggest that the PM should be far more focussed on other more pressing issues (like how to avoid the fubar they are creating over Brexit, why they are still happy to sell weapons to a states killing civilians, or why they are giving money from tax on women's sanitary products to an anti-abortion charity).
One might suggest that rather than being multicultural she is instead trying to ram Christianity back down peoples throats.
"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!
"It's not a problem if you don't look up." - Dakka's approach to politics
My daughter, who is 17+1/2, spoke an interesting opinion yesterday, that perhaps people over a certain age should not be allowed to vote.
Her view is that her entire future of the next 30 years has been thrown into a cocked hat by people like my father, aged 88 God bless him, who is not unlikely to shuffle off this mortal coil before Brexit is even accomplished, let alone enjoy any of the hoped for fruits or suffer the attendant disasters.
I don't necessarily agree with either point of view, but it is a point worth thinking about.
Kilkrazy wrote: My daughter, who is 17+1/2, spoke an interesting opinion yesterday, that perhaps people over a certain age should not be allowed to vote.
Her view is that her entire future of the next 30 years has been thrown into a cocked hat by people like my father, aged 88 God bless him, who is not unlikely to shuffle off this mortal coil before Brexit is even accomplished, let alone enjoy any of the hoped for fruits or suffer the attendant disasters.
I don't necessarily agree with either point of view, but it is a point worth thinking about.
It's a tough issue, but definetely worth a thought. If we consider youngsters under a certain age 'unfit' to vote due to maturity issues, perhaps senile or half-senile old people should not be allowed to vote either. Nor drive.
Progress is like a herd of pigs: everybody is interested in the produced benefits, but nobody wants to deal with all the resulting gak.
GW customers deserve every bit of outrageous princing they get.
He blamed all his woes on the Jewish Chronicle and those (presumably Jewish) Labour MPs who kicked up a fuss about his statement of Hitler being a Zionist before he went mad and killed six million Jews. Because it's not what he said that's the problem. It's all those upset about it.
He blamed all his woes on the Jewish Chronicle and those (presumably Jewish) Labour MPs who kicked up a fuss about his statement of Hitler being a Zionist before he went mad and killed six million Jews. Because it's not what he said that's the problem. It's all those upset about it.
He just embarrassing Labour now...
I mean what does he do now. Bar making headlines for stupid statements he should know better than to make.
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
Future War Cultist wrote: Yeah it's stupid. We should be focusing on the real issues, like the future tariffs. If the EU insists upon putting tariffs on our services then I'm not sure if we should let them get away with tariff free goods.
We need tariff free goods (more than them), especially if we don't get tariff free services.
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Hard Brexit 2: Brex Harder! (1978)
Starring: Michael Caine, Gordon Jackson, Helen Mirren, Max Von Sydow, Lewis Collins, Ian Holm, John Hurt, and Liam Neeson.
Director: Michael Winner
Enjoying a well earned vacation on Gibraltar with his new wife (Mirren) former MI6 agent Jack McJack (Caine) is plunged into danger when he stumbles upon a plot to conquer Europe with an army of robotic Barabary apes, controlled by none other than McJack's arch enemy: Professor Juncker. Racing into the heart of this dark conspiracy, McJack is finally confronted with the answers he seeks, as at long last, he comes face to face with Mr Tusk, the mysterious leader of B.R.U.S.S.E.L.S...
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
He's denying that he said that Hitler was a Zionist, even though he said that Hitler was a Zionist. And the real baddies in all of this are all the people who got angry about him saying that Hitler was a Zionist. And they should be thankful that he's not suing them.
Bastard.
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