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Hi Guys, tomorrow i play a comp and I can't decide on which list to run, please help.

List One 3 ships, two interceptors and a tie advanced.

Maarek Stele — TIE Advanced 27
Veteran Instincts 1
Cluster Missiles 4
Accuracy Corrector 0
Shield Upgrade 4
TIE/x1 0
Ship Total: 36

Soontir Fel — TIE Interceptor 27
Expert Handling 2
Hull Upgrade 3
Twin Ion Engine Mk. II 1
Royal Guard TIE 0
Ship Total: 33

Turr Phennir — TIE Interceptor 25
Veteran Instincts 1
Hull Upgrade 3
Autothrusters 2
Royal Guard TIE 0
Ship Total: 31

List 2, shuttle, Vader, interceptors.

Omicron Group Pilot — Lambda-Class Shuttle 21
Emperor Palpatine 8
Anti-Pursuit Lasers 2
Ship Total: 31

Darth Vader — TIE Advanced 29
Predator 3
Advanced Targeting Computer 1
Twin Ion Engine Mk. II 1
TIE/x1 0
Ship Total: 34

Soontir Fel — TIE Interceptor 27
Push the Limit 3
Autothrusters 2
Stealth Device 3
Royal Guard TIE 0
Ship Total: 35

List 3 fighter list

Darth Vader — TIE Advanced 29
Deadeye 1
Cluster Missiles 4
Hull Upgrade 3
Ship Total: 37

"Zeta Ace" — TIE/fo Fighter 18
Ship Total: 18

Epsilon Squadron Pilot — TIE/fo Fighter 15
Ship Total: 15

Epsilon Squadron Pilot — TIE/fo Fighter 15
Ship Total: 15

Epsilon Squadron Pilot — TIE/fo Fighter 15
Ship Total: 15


Any worth running? I've had success with all.

For Sootnir, I strongly recommend Push the Limit: he can perform 2 actions and after receiving the stress, he gets an automatic focus.


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I would also recommend swaping hull upgrade for targeting computer.

List 1: Expert handling does next to nothing on Fel, plus TEMkII has limited benefit on an Interceptor, which is compounded by the fact that none of his upgrades cause him stress.

In a competitive environment, Fel should be PTL plus defensive upgrades, either Stealth, Autos or both if points allow

Accuracy corrector works directly against Stele's ability, surely ATC would be a better shout?

I'm partial to Phennir with VI myself, the hull upgrade isn't my favourite, but if you get benefit from it then that's cool.

List 2: APL are of questionable benefit anyway, and as you'll likely want to keep the Suttle out of harms way if possible to protect the investment of Palpatine, they're not synergies ing that well, perhaps sub for FCS to make range 3 shots a bit more punchy?

Again, TIE MkII has questionable benefit on Vader, nothing he does stresses him. Otherwise I think that's my preferred Vader layout, but I'd always fit an EU as well.

Fel is (IMO) the optimum load out though.

List 3: Deadeye is redundant on Vader, who can focus and TL if he needs to, and won't be moving first to end up with his target out of arc, as there's limited points available as you're not running many other upgrades to juggle, I'd swap for VI to give him and advantage over most other Aces.

Not flown the FO in anger yet, so that's all I can offer on that.

I'd say list 2 with tweaks is the way to go, on balance.

 Brother Lem wrote:
List One 3 ships, two interceptors and a tie advanced.

Maarek Stele — TIE Advanced 27
Veteran Instincts 1
Cluster Missiles 4
Accuracy Corrector 0
Shield Upgrade 4
TIE/x1 0
Ship Total: 36

Soontir Fel — TIE Interceptor 27
Expert Handling 2
Hull Upgrade 3
Twin Ion Engine Mk. II 1
Royal Guard TIE 0
Ship Total: 33

Turr Phennir — TIE Interceptor 25
Veteran Instincts 1
Hull Upgrade 3
Autothrusters 2
Royal Guard TIE 0
Ship Total: 31

Try this instead:
Maarek Stele (27)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Advanced Targeting Computer (1)
Hull Upgrade (3)
TIE/x1 (0)

Soontir Fel (27)
Push the Limit (3)
Autothrusters (2)
Stealth Device (3)
Royal Guard TIE (0)

Turr Phennir (25)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Autothrusters (2)
Stealth Device (3)
Royal Guard TIE (0)

Total: 98
View in Yet Another Squad Builder
Outside of Fel, the action economy isn't the best but the list in general is head and shoulders above the what it was. There is never, never, never, ever a reason not to run a 35 point Fel in a competitive setting. Maarek needs Advanced Targeting Computer because it both makes his ship better overall and jives with is pilot ability. Accuracy Corrector is useless on him since it can't crit and ordnance is a waste when you can use those points to make your ships better.

List 2, shuttle, Vader, interceptors.

Omicron Group Pilot — Lambda-Class Shuttle 21
Emperor Palpatine 8
Anti-Pursuit Lasers 2
Ship Total: 31

Darth Vader — TIE Advanced 29
Predator 3
Advanced Targeting Computer 1
Twin Ion Engine Mk. II 1
TIE/x1 0
Ship Total: 34

Soontir Fel — TIE Interceptor 27
Push the Limit 3
Autothrusters 2
Stealth Device 3
Royal Guard TIE 0
Ship Total: 35

Try this instead:
Darth Vader (29)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Advanced Targeting Computer (1)
Engine Upgrade (4)
TIE/x1 (0)

Soontir Fel (27)
Push the Limit (3)
Autothrusters (2)
Stealth Device (3)
Royal Guard TIE (0)

Omicron Group Pilot (21)
Emperor Palpatine (8)

Total: 99
View in Yet Another Squad Builder
You were on the right track with this list, but you're not optimizing Vader nearly enough. Give him Engine Upgrade so he has access to both post-maneuvering positioning actions, which you should use to get out of arc. If you can't get out of arc, turtle up with a focus and evade (as long as you have a target lock on your target). Giving him Veteran Instincts will give him the edge over other PS 9 aces and keeps your list at 99 points for an initiative bid. If you want, you can drop it and add Lone Wolf for some rerolling; just remember to keep him at the range need for it to work (which I always have a hard time with).

List 3 fighter list

Darth Vader — TIE Advanced 29
Deadeye 1
Cluster Missiles 4
Hull Upgrade 3
Ship Total: 37

"Zeta Ace" — TIE/fo Fighter 18
Ship Total: 18

Epsilon Squadron Pilot — TIE/fo Fighter 15
Ship Total: 15

Epsilon Squadron Pilot — TIE/fo Fighter 15
Ship Total: 15

Epsilon Squadron Pilot — TIE/fo Fighter 15
Ship Total: 15

Try this instead:
Darth Vader (29)
Predator (3)
Advanced Targeting Computer (1)
Engine Upgrade (4)
TIE/x1 (0)

"Zeta Ace" (18)

Epsilon Squadron Pilot (15)

Epsilon Squadron Pilot (15)

Epsilon Squadron Pilot (15)

Total: 100
View in Yet Another Squad Builder
Vader is the centerpiece of this squad and you need him equipped as such. Running him without the title and ATC is a terrible idea, as he just isn't worth it (which is why they fixed the ship). I'm not entirely convinced by the TIE/fo, but a mini-swarm of them probably isn't bad.

I agree about the Tie advanced needing the engine upgrade in almost all cases. (Not to mention the title). Last night, my opponent had used the stealth device instead, and I think it boils down to just dodging the arc completely rather than hoping for good die results.

Try this instead:
Darth Vader (29)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Advanced Targeting Computer (1)
Engine Upgrade (4)
TIE/x1 (0)

Soontir Fel (27)
Push the Limit (3)
Autothrusters (2)
Stealth Device (3)
Royal Guard TIE (0)

Omicron Group Pilot (21)
Emperor Palpatine (8)

Total: 99

I second this list. Keep the Shuttle away from the action (or use it as bait, so that Fel and Vader can get range 1 right behind them),,, keep Fel and Vader doing what they do best... dodge arcs. Save Palatine for Defense (unless it is a kill shot). Profit!

Thanks all, played the Lamba with Vader and Soontir, came in 3rd place. Not bad for my first comp and 7th game

 Brother Lem wrote:
Thanks all, played the Lamba with Vader and Soontir, came in 3rd place. Not bad for my first comp and 7th game

Yeah, especially since it's not really an easy list to fly.

First round i went down to Chewie in the Falcon and a Mangler cannon wielding 2400! but cam good against the scum list flying boba and 2 y wings, a scum list flying 2 Y wings and a hound and lastly a rebel list flying a B Wing, Hawk and t-70.