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Hi there, (may the emperor forgive if this is in the wrong forum section)
Getting back into the game after a long hiatus, I'm having a little trouble wrapping my head around the shooting rules - curse my deteriorating brain.
My issue is with causing more wounds than models during the shooting phase.
I THINK I have it correct, but correct me if I am wrong. Take this example:
4 models are in range of my boltguns from my tactical squad, and I cause 6 wounds. Even though there are more than 4 models in the enemy unit, my boltguns will still only kill 4 guys right? If I cause more than 4 unsaved wounds with my boltguns, the excess are lost due to being only 4 from the enemy unit within range of my boltguns, is that correct?

Correct. You cannot allocate wounds beyond the target unit, so any additional wounds caused are lost.

"Continue allocating Wounds to the closest model, taking saves and removing casualties until the Wound pool is empty or all models in the unit have been removed as casualties."

You see there you only allocate wounds and take saves into you run out of either wounds or models.

Here is the bit I think you're after:

Out of Range
If none of the firing models are in range of a particular model in the target unit, then Wounds cannot be allocated to it. Note that, when determining if a model is out of range, always use the firing weapon’s maximum range, even if it was a Rapid Fire or Salvo weapon that was shooting at half range (it can be imagined that whilst these weapons sacrificed accuracy or mobility to gain extra shots, their shots still travel their full range and have luckily hit another enemy). If there are no models in the target unit that are in range, all remaining Wounds in the pool are lost.

Great, I got it right. Thanks guys!


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 Quanar wrote:
Here is the bit I think you're after:

Out of Range
If none of the firing models are in range of a particular model in the target unit, then Wounds cannot be allocated to it. Note that, when determining if a model is out of range, always use the firing weapon’s maximum range, even if it was a Rapid Fire or Salvo weapon that was shooting at half range (it can be imagined that whilst these weapons sacrificed accuracy or mobility to gain extra shots, their shots still travel their full range and have luckily hit another enemy). If there are no models in the target unit that are in range, all remaining Wounds in the pool are lost.

I'm a tad confused about the rules on rapid fire weapons in regards to the out of range rule. So my boltguns, in the previously stated situation, fire twice at up to half range, but.. can still wound models at maximum range?

Yes, because their range does not actualy change. the range is still 24"

ALl that happens is that, if the unit is at half range or less, you fire twice as many shots.

I apologize, but I am still confused :(
I fire twice within half range, but can still kill models in a unit with said weapon up to maximum range...........
So in what situation would I fire once at maximum range?

Ah, I missed the mention of range in the original post - apologies, Quanar and nosferatu have the right of it though.

Remember though that Rapid Fire weapons measure their half range two shots on a model by model basis so if half of your unit is within 12" and half is not, only the models within 12" will get to get fire two shots, though can wound models up to the maximum 24" range.


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Unreliable_Babysitter wrote:
I apologize, but I am still confused :(
I fire twice within half range, but can still kill models in a unit with said weapon up to maximum range...........
So in what situation would I fire once at maximum range?

When you are more than half but still within the maximum range. Note also that it is not a choice; models within half range fire two shots while models more than half and up to maximum range fire one shot.

Basically the number of shots the weapon fires is determined by the range from model to target unit, but that has nothing to do with the actual range of the weapon or wound allocation.

 Mr. Shine wrote:
Ah, I missed the mention of range in the original post - apologies, Quanar and nosferatu have the right of it though.

Remember though that Rapid Fire weapons measure their half range two shots on a model by model basis so if half of your unit is within 12" and half is not, only the models within 12" will get to get fire two shots, though can wound models up to the maximum 24" range.


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Unreliable_Babysitter wrote:
I apologize, but I am still confused :(
I fire twice within half range, but can still kill models in a unit with said weapon up to maximum range...........
So in what situation would I fire once at maximum range?

When you are more than half but still within the maximum range. Note also that it is not a choice; models within half range fire two shots while models more than half and up to maximum range fire one shot.

Basically the number of shots the weapon fires is determined by the range from model to target unit, but that has nothing to do with the actual range of the weapon or wound allocation.

Ok I think I am getting this now.
Using my example, with your reply helping me-
two of my bolters are within 12 inch range, two are 20 inches away. All up, I will get 6 shots (4 from rapid firers, 2 from those over half range), with all 6 shots wounding models in a unit up to 24 inches away?

Yes, tha is absolutely correct

The range of a boltgun is 24", so that is how far away models can be wounded in the unit you are firing at.

This range does not change, just because some are in "half" range to qualify for the rapid fire rule - that simply changes how many shots are fired, but not the range on the profile.

Excellent! I can get back to playing! lol.
My opponent must be influenced by Tzeentch, sitting there with no expression as I struggle with this, probably enjoying my wits fail me.
Or slaanesh, she is my wife after all.