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So here's my question, in the Space Wolf codex under the rules for Logan Grimnar and Stormrider it states "All penetrating hits against Stormrider count as glancing hits instead"

The strength D damage table states for example
2-5 - "Solid Hit: The model suffers a penetrating hit that causes it to lose D3 Hull Points instead of 1."

So, as far as I can tell, any result apart from a 1 on the strength D damage chart, stormrider just turns it into a 1 hull point glancing hit?

That really doesn't sound right but I cannot find anything that addresses this issue so please show me I'm wrong.

It says the penetrating hit becomes a glancing hit. It doesn't change any other rule.

So The model suffers a penetrating hit that causes it to lose D3 Hull Points instead of 1.' becomes:The model suffers a glancing hit that causes it to lose D3 Hull Points instead of 1.'

I did think that at first, but it doesn't say "penetrating hit and causes d3" it says "a penetrating hit that causes d3".

I'm trying to ignore applying common sense as I know that doesn't always apply to rules but it seems to me that it's one massive hit that rips through the armor and does lots of damage in the process, its one rule, not 2. So if it isn't penetrating then it loses any additional effects. But maybe I'm wrong, I'm just going to take majority opinion here.

You replace the word "penetrating hit" with "glancing hit", as that what happens to the hit. The rest of the rule remains intact, and does not go away

The penetrating hit is what causes the addition wounds. If it gets reduced to glancing then the model takes a glancing hit and loses 1 hull point. My local store had one particular day where this got debated like no other.

You replace the word "penetrating hit" with "glancing hit"

Why would one do so? Since when do rules modify each other instead of being applied togerher?

Survivor19 wrote:

You replace the word "penetrating hit" with "glancing hit"

Why would one do so? Since when do rules modify each other instead of being applied togerher?

Why would one not do so? Penetrating Hits do not normally generate D3 Hull Points of Damage, so this would be added affect on to any damage the Destroyer Hit causes.

All it means is that one does not get to roll on the Vehicle Damage Chart, since that is the difference between a Glancing and Penetrating Hit. Simple.

The downgrade to glancing doesn't change the hp lost, it removes the roll on the penetrating hit table.

I really like this question as a Rule Lawyer, it could be used to teach people that even innocent seeming interactions can be hidden land minds if not written properly.

One of Game Workshop's greatest failings is what I call the 'vacuum effect' and this looks to be another example that can be filed away under that heading. The Vacuum Effect is quite simple; it occurs whenever a Rule fails to take into account anything more then the most basic situation it will be applied to. This often leads to unusual situations whenever the Rule has to be applied to a situation already modified by another Rule. Some of these breaks are very well known, Independent Character has the most complicated interactions that have been overlooked, while others are so benign that we apply common sense and 'fix' them without even realizing what we are doing. Regardless, I do love this forum for bringing them all to my attention so I can get a little bit of a laugh out of them.

The reason why I think this is a good example is simple:

Object P is modified to do X instead of Y
Object G is used instead of Object P
Why would object G be modified to do X instead of Y?

I agree with JinxDragon.

The rule says this . . .



It does not say this . . .



Since the rule itself tells us that its the penetrating hit that causes the loss of D3 Hull Points, Grimnar's rule changes the penetrating hit into a glancing hit with no attending effects that the penetrating hit had been granted as a penetrating hit.

So does this mean Santa Claus might see more play?

Also good when an ork trukk survives Strength D shots.

Depends on the players turn. If it's my turn, my penetrating result, resulting in d3 hull lost, happens right before the penetrating gets turned into a glance, meaning I get whatever d3 is glancing hits. If it's your turn, say it the other way, I'll still proceed to rofl stomp, and drink your tears.

There's a perfectly logical reason why the D table does not say "suffers a penetrating hit and loses D3 Hull Points."

The above would imply that the model suffers a penetrating hit (resulting in the loss of a hull point and roll on the damage table) and it loses an additional D3 hull points resulting in a loss of 2-4 hull points.

Linda listen. It does d3. One way or another, it just does. Santa can't be that good, he is a marine that isn't grey knights(the only exception)

Serpent Shields also convert penetrating hits to glancing hits on a 2+, meaning they too should survive D-strength shooting at them (on a 2+)