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If an arch demagogue is attached to a chaos marauder squad, does 'in it for the money' still apply or can the unit take normal leadership checks using the demagogues leadership?

What if a fearless demagogue like a witch or revolutionary is in the marauder squad?

Archdemagogues are not Independent Characters, so they can't join the Marauder unit.

Ignoring that, (if I remember correctly, away from the book), the rule just says that once they fail a leadership test and break, they can't ever regroup. If you had a way to confer Fearless to the unit, they wouldn't be failing any morale tests, so they wouldn't break.

Arch Demagogues *are* independent characters.


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So a bloody handed reaver rolls 6 on uncertain worth and so has leadership 10... The unit has to take a morale test they get unlucky and roll an 11... Would the marauders disappear and leave the arch demagogue behind or would the arch demagogue get swallowed also.

Pythias have a read of your Renegades rule book, arch demagogues are ICs and there are dozens of posts on this forum talking about how to use them due to that fact and their ability to take covenants (which wouldn't count in this example as you can't take a covenant on your warlord and marauders)

Are demagogues fearless? Don't have that book on me, but the above poster mentioned the fearless option: fearless confers so in it for the money could never happen.

As far as a non-fearless ic goes: a failed morale test means falling back and ics in a falling back unit cannot leave until the unit regroups(an impossibility in this case)

Intercessor wrote:
Arch Demagogues *are* independent characters.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
So a bloody handed reaver rolls 6 on uncertain worth and so has leadership 10... The unit has to take a morale test they get unlucky and roll an 11... Would the marauders disappear and leave the arch demagogue behind or would the arch demagogue get swallowed also.

Pythias have a read of your Renegades rule book, arch demagogues are ICs and there are dozens of posts on this forum talking about how to use them due to that fact and their ability to take covenants (which wouldn't count in this example as you can't take a covenant on your warlord and marauders)

Sorry, you're absolutely right about the Archdemagogue being an independent character; I wonder how I managed to convince myself of the opposite.

I'm lead to believe that yes, the Archdemagogue (and any other ICs) would get trapped in the unit and fall back off the table. The unit can't regroup, and the ICs can't leave the unit while it's falling back, so they'd get stuck. Nothing would stop you from using the Archdemagogue's LD value if it was higher, or any other leadership improving/morale avoiding mechanics to prevent ever breaking in the first place though.

 Kommissar Kel wrote:
Are demagogues fearless? Don't have that book on me, but the above poster mentioned the fearless option: fearless confers so in it for the money could never happen.

As far as a non-fearless ic goes: a failed morale test means falling back and ics in a falling back unit cannot leave until the unit regroups(an impossibility in this case)

Demagogues aren't fearless apart from those with the Witch(fearless) and Revolutionary(zealot) devotions.

Looks like it's only worth putting the arch demagogue in a marauder squad only if it's one of those two types of devotions then, otherwise a waste in case of one failed morale!