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Apologies in advance, as I feel making two threads on the same day on such a slow-moving board is excessive, but I meant to ask if anyone has played against an Ogre opponent fielding a LOT of Siege-Breakers? A tiny part of me is wishing an errata would make them irregular, only because I have one frequent opponent who essentially treats them as his default unit. Several regiments of them, usually because of their nice point cost, and the tremendous "Big Shield" ability, end up with an impenetrable wall.

I know find a way into the flank is the obvious answer, but as someone who plays Dwarves, Undead, or my own Ogres... speed is rarely on my side. ;-) Or rather, enough speed to do what needs to be done without being countered by a token "speedy" Ogre Chariot, etc...

All of those armies have rather speedy units though. Brokks, wraiths (or even a vampire lord on pegasus or dragon), chariots, red goblin cavalry... if he uses mostly siegebreakers, hes going to be relatively slow.

If you can manage it depending on your deployment, use concentration of fire power with your warmachines, lightning bolts or even that magic item that adds piercing to target one unit at a time. If you aim at any units on the flanks it should give your flankings units more room to manoeuvre. At 250 points per unit before any magic items, even losing one or two before combat even starts can make a difference.

Well, even a regiment of Siege Breakers come in at a lean and mean 160pts.

I will say that this particular opponent leaned so heavily on defense, that the list had little offensive punch. Breakers are terrific, don't get me wrong, but their relatively low attack numbers mean that the game was quite a grind.

I use a horde of these with brew of sharpness in my 2k kingdom of men list... they are ideal for hitting big targets if you can get them where you need them.

I don't find them broken though, all it takes is 1 or more flying units to ruin their day.

Not even that - anything avoiding that big shield and hitting flanks or rear is going to cause them grief. If someone is playing a long line of them, just deny flank and focus on one end and then roll up the rest.

Are you playing scenarios? Ogres are always outnumbered and sometimes you can just ignore the heavy hitters and protect the objectives you want (Make him come to you)

I recently did that with some Basileans, just let the heavy cav have the far objective and once he realized he had so many points trapped out on the flank, that to get to me he was going to have to expose a flank to some werewolves, it wasn't worth it. it was a win (not a big win, but a win)

Respectfully,
That Lee Guy

I'm chalking it up to a well played game on his part, and a late night for me (thus being mentally fried). The game just really suited him.

Scenario was holding the center, and he just opted to run a really unbalanced list, going for a long line of regiments of Siege-Breakers with some Red Goblins on the flanks to protect the more obvious flank-and-spank that the units are so vulnerable to.

My list wasn't optimal either, and frankly dice were on his side and his line just really held.

As I recall a particularly high rolling Horde of Beserker Braves also ate up my heavy hitters on one flank.

The game just really lingered in my memory as I have never been trounced so decisively.

Nothing a nice vacation won't fix. See you all soon!