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All Hail Daddy Drone Slayer: Killer of Perv piloted Drones!
Flawless victory! Let this stand that Fathers will not go quietly into the night! That we will shoot down your pervy drones filming our daughters! And you too if we catch you!

http://www.wave3.com/story/30355558/drone-slayer-claims-victory-in-court


Drone Slayer' claims victory in court


BULLITT COUNTY, KY (WAVE) – The man who calls himself the "Drone Slayer" called a judge's decision a victory.

Bullitt County Judge Rebecca Ward on Monday dismissed the case against William H. Merideth, who admitted to shooting down a drone he said was hovering over his home last July.

"I think it’s credible testimony that his drone was hovering from anywhere, for two or three times over these people’s property, that it was an invasion of their privacy and that they had the right to shoot this drone," Ward told the courtroom. "And I’m going to dismiss his charge."

[PREVIOUS STORY: Drone owner calls shooter 'drone slayer']

The drone’s owner, David Boggs, appeared stunned with the ruling.

"I’m dumbfounded," he said. "I really am. I don’t think that the court looked at what really took place here."

Boggs contends his drone flew past Merideth’s home at more than 200 feet above it, and didn’t hover.

[PREVIOUS STORY: Man charged after shooting down drone]

"I just want him to do the right thing." Boggs said. "His neighbors, he knows, everybody knows that no way (were) we under 100-and-something feet. That never happened. And so if they said, then they’re not telling the truth."

Experts at UoL's Speed School of Engineering say get ready for more cases like this.

"People are maybe not quite sure of where the boundaries are while they're waiting for the law to catch up," Associate Professor of computer engineering and computer science Adrian Lauf said.

Lauf said bad press is pressuring drone manufacturers and the FAA to make the rules clear.

"If we practice more common sense, we probably wouldn't have as many shotguns shooting drones down, nor would we have people who feel threatened," he said.

Merideth also was facing a charge for firing his gun in a residential neighborhood. That charge was dismissed as well.

"I feel good," Merideth said. "I feel vindicated. Police told me there was nothing they could do about it. Nobody would do anything about it, so I did something about it.

"I was being watched. It was an invasion of privacy and I just, I wouldn’t put up with it no more."

Boggs said he was with a group of people while flying the drone who would tell a different story if asked to testify. He has the opportunity to appeal his case in front of a grand jury. He said he’s eager for the chance.

"This is a victory for him today, I guess," Boggs said. "But it’s far from over."

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So one guy said it was over 200 feet up, and the entire neighborhood ganged up on him and hurt his feelings. Riiiiigght. Go daddy drone slayer!!

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Back in the good old days people who flew radio control model aircraft and helicopters had to join clubs and go and fly on remote commons and so on where they would not annoy local residents or conflict with real aircraft flight paths and the like.

The creation of easy to buy and use computerised drones has put this kind of mini aircraft into the hands of people who have not had the socialisation experience of an R/C enthusiast. Consequently they are flying them anywhere, without regard to everyone else's concerns.

IDK exactly what the law says about this situation, but I don't think most drone operators do either, except the ones with professional training and licences.

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 timetowaste85 wrote:
So one guy said it was over 200 feet up, and the entire neighborhood ganged up on him and hurt his feelings. Riiiiigght. Go daddy drone slayer!!

In case you forget, when this case first got noticed a lot of Meredith's neighbors were mentioning that he said he was going to shoot it down, no matter where/how high it was.
   
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I think it's very hard to form an opinion from the stories I've read. There is just too much conflicting information.

The drone operator claims he never flew below 200 feet. He provided a flight plan to back that up. There's no video of the flight in question.

The shooter claims it flew right over his property very low, and did so repeatedly. There are comments from the judge that seem to back that up, but it doesn't seem like everyone got to testify.

So, hard to call who was "right".

Ultimately, I think people who shoot firearms into the air over populated areas should be prosecuted under existing firearm laws (not to mention shooting at an aircraft is already a felony). If you're being harassed, you should call the police - a firearm is the last resort, and only should be employed when your life or the life of someone else is in imminent danger of death or grievous bodily injury. Neither of those elements was present here.

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If he hit it with a shotgun enough to do damage, it was closer than 200 feet. That's roughly 60 yards. I have been hit with a shotgun at that range and it was more like being peppered with hot rain.

This is good, drones are fun, but there needs to be some solid rules to protect privacy over private property. I don't have any reason to care but I would prefer them stay out of my yard's airspace.

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Col. Dash wrote:
This is good, drones are fun, but there needs to be some solid rules to protect privacy over private property. I don't have any reason to care but I would prefer them stay out of my yard's airspace.


The problem here is that "your yards airspace" is a bit of a legal gray area - you only own up to so high. Certainly, you don't own >500 above it (this is a tangent, not related to the case at hand) and you certainly DO own the developed part (to your roofline).


Truthfully, the only thing I'm here for are the people that will defend this guys right to defend his privacy with lethal force in this thread, while also claiming there is no right to privacy in abortion threads. I'm sure they will show up.

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I don't think the guy shot the drone so people wouldn't see him killing his baby.

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200 feet up, has to be a pretty powerful drone + a fair mass.

what goes up must come down, granted privacy and all but when you send up to several kilo's falling down its velocity plus mass = impact force which could be fairly powerful and risk to people and property.

I mean if i was a home owner and you dropped a drone on my car or hole in roof, im still going to be pretty pissed off even if it was spying on you yet alone hit a person or pet.

gravity plus mass = speed = impact force. people need to think where they drop a flying object

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 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
I don't think the guy shot the drone so people wouldn't see him killing his baby.


I think you missed my point on purpose.

 jhe90 wrote:
200 feet up, has to be a pretty powerful drone + a fair mass.

what goes up must come down, granted privacy and all but when you send up to several kilo's falling down its velocity plus mass = impact force which could be fairly powerful and risk to people and property.


The most popular consumer drone at that height weighs about 3 pounds (1.3kg).

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I find it unlikely he could have hit it and knocked it down if it was over 200 feet up. Secondly, it was remiss of the police to hand back the drone without checking for footage given that criminal complaints were being made on both sides. That no footage could later be produced from the drone just seems unsatisfactory IMO.

I don't like the idea of someone firing guns into the air over their garden, that seems dangerous. But I don't find buzzing people's private property with drones acceptable either. Take them to the local park like the R/C plane people.
   
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 Howard A Treesong wrote:
I find it unlikely he could have hit it and knocked it down if it was over 200 feet up. Secondly, it was remiss of the police to hand back the drone without checking for footage given that criminal complaints were being made on both sides. That no footage could later be produced from the drone just seems unsatisfactory IMO.


On the platforms in question, a sudden loss of power will typically render an unplayable file. There is third party software that can, sometimes, repair the corrupted file. If the drone owner had indeed been flying very low, then he has very little reason to try and recover incriminating footage.... or perhaps it simply was actually unrepairable. In any event, I agree, the sd card should have been held as evidence and analyzed.


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 Ouze wrote:
I think it's very hard to form an opinion from the stories I've read. There is just too much conflicting information.

The drone operator claims he never flew below 200 feet. He provided a flight plan to back that up. There's no video of the flight in question.

The shooter claims it flew right over his property very low, and did so repeatedly. There are comments from the judge that seem to back that up, but it doesn't seem like everyone got to testify.

So, hard to call who was "right".

Ultimately, I think people who shoot firearms into the air over populated areas should be prosecuted under existing firearm laws (not to mention shooting at an aircraft is already a felony). If you're being harassed, you should call the police - a firearm is the last resort, and only should be employed when your life or the life of someone else is in imminent danger of death or grievous bodily injury. Neither of those elements was present here.


Shooting a shotgun at a target 200 feet away with the scatter pattern of a normal shotgun would be very impressive. Impressive not in accuracy but any of the pellets actually hitting it.
The drone operator was lying. that guy.
Now Dad needs to give the drone operator an attitude adjustment. Inversely the daughter should sue the drone operator.

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It takes very little force to take down a quadcopter: a single pellet cracking a single propeller would do it. A steel pellet simply coming into contact with a high-speed prop at any velocity would probably be adequate - they are delicate machines.

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That is my issue, had the SD card been examined and found to be corrupted then the owner would be clear of any wrongdoing in that regard. As it is, you can't help but feel suspicious that evidence he potentially could have supplied had disappeared.
   
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Based off the light shot that was used I called bs on the drone being 200 feet up when it was downed. I am surprised the guy didn't get busted for discharging a fire arm in town limits.
   
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 Ouze wrote:
It takes very little force to take down a quadcopter: a single pellet cracking a single propeller would do it. A steel pellet simply coming into contact with a high-speed prop at any velocity would probably be adequate - they are delicate machines.


I'm sayign its highly unlikely a single pellet would have made it.

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 Frazzled wrote:
 Ouze wrote:
It takes very little force to take down a quadcopter: a single pellet cracking a single propeller would do it. A steel pellet simply coming into contact with a high-speed prop at any velocity would probably be adequate - they are delicate machines.


I'm sayign its highly unlikely a single pellet would have made it.


So you admit it's possible Certainly, the NRA guidelines requiring a shotgun range to be 300 yards is for a reason - and we're talking about a fifth of that range.

We don't know, and we're not going to know. The drone operator has incentive to lie about how high he was, and the shooter has incentive to lie about whether or not he was shooting birdshot or buckshot; the latter of which would have gone much farther and would have possibly stuck him with a reckless discharge count he couldn't get out of.

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 Ouze wrote:
I think it's very hard to form an opinion from the stories I've read. There is just too much conflicting information.

The drone operator claims he never flew below 200 feet. He provided a flight plan to back that up. There's no video of the flight in question.

The shooter claims it flew right over his property very low, and did so repeatedly. There are comments from the judge that seem to back that up, but it doesn't seem like everyone got to testify.

So, hard to call who was "right".

Ultimately, I think people who shoot firearms into the air over populated areas should be prosecuted under existing firearm laws (not to mention shooting at an aircraft is already a felony). If you're being harassed, you should call the police - a firearm is the last resort, and only should be employed when your life or the life of someone else is in imminent danger of death or grievous bodily injury. Neither of those elements was present here.


Agreed on the "he said, she said". I would have liked for the testimony of the other neighbors, even just to settle my own curiosity.

On the police part, the shooter did say:


"I feel good," Merideth said. "I feel vindicated. Police told me there was nothing they could do about it. Nobody would do anything about it, so I did something about it.


Maybe that's BS and he never called, or maybe they told him to F Off. Dunno.

Ticket the guy for discharging a firearm, ticket the other guy for flying over dude one's house after being told to stop.

Seriously, go fly your drone in a field and leave people alone.

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Personal airspace is up to judges to decide but precedence is currently 500 feet and down is yours.

Today, the federal government considers the area above 500 feet to be navigable airspace in uncongested areas. While the Supreme Court hasn’t explicitly accepted that as the upper limit of property ownership, it’s a useful guideline in trespass cases. Therefore, unless you own some very tall buildings, your private airspace probably ends somewhere between 80 and 500 feet above the ground.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2013/07/photographer_george_steinmetz_arrest_how_much_airspace_do_you_own.html

The right to enjoy your property's airspace goes back to a 1946 SCOTUS decision in US vs Causby:

Held:

1. A servitude has been imposed upon the land for which respondents are entitled to compensation under the Fifth Amendment. Pp. 328 U. S. 260-267.

(a) The common law doctrine that ownership of land extends to the periphery of the universe has no place in the modern world. Pp. 328 U. S. 260-261.

(b) The air above the minimum safe altitude of flight prescribed by the Civil Aeronautics Authority is a public highway and part of the public domain, as declared by Congress in the Air Commerce Act of 1926, as amended by the Civil Aeronautics Act of 1938. Pp. 328 U. S. 260-261, 328 U. S. 266.

(c) Flights below that altitude are not within the navigable air space which Congress placed within the public domain, even though they are within the path of glide approved by the Civil Aeronautics Authority. Pp. 328 U. S. 263-264.

(d) Flights of aircraft over private land which are so low and frequent as to be a direct and immediate interference with the enjoyment and use of the land are as much an appropriation of the use of the land as a more conventional entry upon it. Pp. 328 U. S. 261-262, 328 U. S. 264-267.


So navigable airspace is currently defined by the FAA as 500 feet plus, under that, you have an arguable right to enjoy your property without fear that someone's going to come and snoop on you. Look at "(d)"; SCOTUS has stated that low and frequent flying is the same as walking onto someone's property without an invitation.

Cheers to this dad, I'd buy him a beer and I would do the same thing if I were him.

Having fired multiple shotguns using a variety of ammunition , only a solid slug could have done enough damage at 200 feet and a moving target is damn hard to hit with a solid slug unless he's skeet shooting champ of KY which lends credence to either it being below 200 feet and/or hovering over the man's property. Gravity doesn't help. Most effective ranges for ammunition are about 40-50 yards, factor in shooting straight up (or even at an angle) and shot will lose velocity and trajectory quickly.

Edit:
Agree that it's never a good idea to discharge a firearm over a populated area.

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I love this sentence so much.

"(a) The common law doctrine that ownership of land extends to the periphery of the universe has no place in the modern world. Pp. 328 U. S. 260-261. "


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I love this sentence so much.

"(a) The common law doctrine that ownership of land extends to the periphery of the universe has no place in the modern world. Pp. 328 U. S. 260-261. "


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Yeah, I had to read that one twice. Funny thing is that it was common held belief for a long time.

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So you admit it's possible Certainly, the NRA guidelines requiring a shotgun range to be 300 yards is for a reason - and we're talking about a fifth of that range.

Sure its possible. Its also possible I'm really Selma Hayak and am going to win the Megamillions Lotto.


icket the guy for discharging a firearm, ticket the other guy for flying over dude one's house after being told to stop.

Seriously, go fly your drone in a field and leave people alone.

Tickets to everyone!

This is fair.

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If he hit it with a shotgun enough to do damage, it was closer than 200 feet. That's roughly 60 yards. I have been hit with a shotgun at that range and it was more like being peppered with hot rain.

This is good, drones are fun, but there needs to be some solid rules to protect privacy over private property. I don't have any reason to care but I would prefer them stay out of my yard's airspace.


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So you admit it's possible Certainly, the NRA guidelines requiring a shotgun range to be 300 yards is for a reason - and we're talking about a fifth of that range.


Thats because safety regulations always go way beyond the minimum. Plus said Shotgun range might be shooting deer slugs or buck shot, not just Bird shot. If a range for only bird shot was built it could be way shorter.

 Ouze wrote:
It takes very little force to take down a quadcopter: a single pellet cracking a single propeller would do it. A steel pellet simply coming into contact with a high-speed prop at any velocity would probably be adequate - they are delicate machines.


At 200 feet I doubt the pellets in a shotgun would do any damage at all. Given that at that range they're not even going to break human skin, or even leave an appreciable bruise.

And even if its still possible, the probability of any of the shot hitting is almost non-existent.

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I agree with what has already been mentioned. If your going to fly one fly the damn thing away from people's houses. Think people.
   
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yellowfever wrote:
I agree with what has already been mentioned. If your going to fly one fly the damn thing away from people's houses. Think people.

From what was said in the original thread, the pilot of the drone was asked by someone to take photographs for someone wanting to sell their house.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
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I agree with what has already been mentioned. If your going to fly one fly the damn thing away from people's houses. Think people.

From what was said in the original thread, the pilot of the drone was asked by someone to take photographs for someone wanting to sell their house.


And if that was the case then he should not have been over anyone else's property while doing so.

And maybe he needs to rethink his business if the operation of his drone over other residences can lead to criminal charges.

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 Grey Templar wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
yellowfever wrote:
I agree with what has already been mentioned. If your going to fly one fly the damn thing away from people's houses. Think people.

From what was said in the original thread, the pilot of the drone was asked by someone to take photographs for someone wanting to sell their house.


And if that was the case then he should not have been over anyone else's property while doing so.

If you're trying to get aerial photos of a property, you don't just hover directly over it. You move out into the street to get front shots, you might hover a bit into someone else's backyard to get shots of the rear of the house, etc.


And maybe he needs to rethink his business if the operation of his drone over other residences can lead to criminal charges.

And maybe this judge shouldn't have done such a shoddy job and just dismissed the charges, because clearly something doesn't add up.
   
 
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