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CAD1

Sorc@60

2x10 cultists@100

3x5 havocs, 4 ac@ 345

total= 505

CAD2
Formation- Gallant Lance

3 Gallant Imperial Knights@975

total 1480pts. 20pts free?

Strategy: Deploy CSM far away from Knights due to Come the Apocalypse allies rules. CSM hang back and put out 24 ac shoots on flyers and other stuff. IK Gallant rushes and charges and stomp.

tactics: none, there is no synergy. Chaos Knights suck.

I think Chaos Knights are great, you just have to build them into the right list, and generally Daemons or KDK synergize better.

Class A list, super competitive! Unbeatable except by Eldar cheese, War Convocation, or Skyhammer Annihilation!

Yep, I see Skyhammer alpha striking in and popping my knights with melta and then proceed to shrug off autocannon shots. Oh well, not much I can do.

Yep, Eldar Cheese with their scat bikes being able to glance my knights and forcing wounds on havocs. Top it off with their ability to take 2 Wraith Knights. Not much I can do because Eldar are complete OP imba.

Is War Convocation really that good? Havent fought them. I did fight a skitari army. My autocannons ripped them apart.

I dont have real hellblades. only flat paper model cut outs.
Hellblades cost as much as a havoc squad with 4 ac but the helstorm ac has rending and is 6 shots tl i think. Also has sky fire. But skyfire means it snap shots on ground targets.

 Filch wrote:
Is War Convocation really that good? Havent fought them. I did fight a skitari army. My autocannons ripped them apart.

Imagine an army that, for the most part:

- Has twin-linked and re-roll armor penetration
- Shoots across the board
- Has troops with Ballistic skill 5, 6, or 7
- Reduces cover saves by 1
- Has Heavy Grav-cannons (salvo 6) on relentless 2+ armors
- Scouts half its forces forward, vehicles included
- Has Assault 3 18" plasma rifles
- Equips S10 AP1 laser beams on walkers
- Fields plenty of skyfire and interceptor
- Can use up to two "Chapter Tactics" per turn
- Has melee AND ranged weapons on cheap units that get deadlier on 6s
- Infiltrates units that have Tesla-style melee weapons and Rending ranged ones
- Has an Imperial Knight just to flip you the bird

Ran a CSM list against it once. Three vehicles were dead or immobilized (effectively dead), Be'lakor died to melee combat against basic troops from full health WHILE INVISIBLE (lost 3 health just on the overwatch), and the Nurgle Prince with Biomanced Toughness 8 was murdered. That was turn 1. By the end of turn 2, the only thing still on my side of the field were Cultists.

My god, you sound just like me a year ago.

oh right Skitarii has haywire shooting.

what is the minimal points to fulfill war convocation to get their free upgrade ?

Minimum points to field is 1330.

well now...I can see the cheese taste real good at 1330 giving like 500 free points in upgrades.

Is there anything I can do about it?

Depends on the scale of the game- the canticles of the omnissiah rule - which determines how powerful the army-wide buffs are, depend on how many units there are 'casting' them.

the more holes you can knock in their line quickly, the better.

I've not played, them, though, so have limited advice to offer.



WRT original army list......I don't see what's wrong with Chaos Knights? Yes, there's no Gallant variant, but you could take Daemon Knights in an unbound list - you don't get the cultists but you're losing out on two ridiculously fragile objective secured units - to me, big deal.

Plus, your sorcerer would be able to put telepathy buffs on the Knights - a very useful advantage - and you can use squads for bubblewrap against skyhammer if needed.

 Arkaine wrote:

 Filch wrote:
Is War Convocation really that good? Havent fought them. I did fight a skitari army. My autocannons ripped them apart.

Imagine an army that, for the most part:

- Has twin-linked and re-roll armor penetration
- Shoots across the board
- Has troops with Ballistic skill 5, 6, or 7
- Reduces cover saves by 1
- Has Heavy Grav-cannons (salvo 6) on relentless 2+ armors
- Scouts half its forces forward, vehicles included
- Has Assault 3 18" plasma rifles
- Equips S10 AP1 laser beams on walkers
- Fields plenty of skyfire and interceptor
- Can use up to two "Chapter Tactics" per turn
- Has melee AND ranged weapons on cheap units that get deadlier on 6s
- Infiltrates units that have Tesla-style melee weapons and Rending ranged ones
- Has an Imperial Knight just to flip you the bird

Ran a CSM list against it once. Three vehicles were dead or immobilized (effectively dead), Be'lakor died to melee combat against basic troops from full health WHILE INVISIBLE (lost 3 health just on the overwatch), and the Nurgle Prince with Biomanced Toughness 8 was murdered. That was turn 1. By the end of turn 2, the only thing still on my side of the field were Cultists.

I think you are just bad...

I don't think the above saying this list is top tier is satire. Which concerns me, because I can't see this list winning even a local casual RTT in my area.

15 autocannons simply isn't scary. The gallant knight is also not nearly as good as the autocannon version, yes, its worth the points.

chaos knights are so much better than normal knights its not even funny.

next time you fight a grimoired khorne knight with +d3 attacks on the charge who rerolls stomps let me know how that works out

i will agree that it's too bad we can only take one lord of war. it would be really cool to take a chaos imperial knight detachment and have some chaos sorcerors or daemons buffing them with powers.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
I think you are just bad...

Then you also think major tournament players are "just bad" for letting the War Convocation go undefeated and place 2nd in the annual BAO tournament.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/07/40k-ad-mech-war-convocation-goes-undefeated.html

Battle summaries and all, the internet was wrong about AdMech. When you're running a 2400 list vs someone else's 1850, you're going to win.

Also, as stated, my game was over turn 1. There's literally nothing I could have done to prevent it. 2+ cover saves on the Daemons, an invisible legendary DP charging a 90pt troop squad while jinking for 2+ cover save, vehicles behind cover with high front armor, doesn't matter. Haywire shooting doesn't care. Armourbane snipers laugh at you. Troops with BS7 rarely miss.

Play against War Convocation, learn firsthand.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 Arkaine wrote:

 Filch wrote:
Is War Convocation really that good? Havent fought them. I did fight a skitari army. My autocannons ripped them apart.

Imagine an army that, for the most part:

- Has twin-linked and re-roll armor penetration
- Shoots across the board
- Has troops with Ballistic skill 5, 6, or 7
- Reduces cover saves by 1
- Has Heavy Grav-cannons (salvo 6) on relentless 2+ armors
- Scouts half its forces forward, vehicles included
- Has Assault 3 18" plasma rifles
- Equips S10 AP1 laser beams on walkers
- Fields plenty of skyfire and interceptor
- Can use up to two "Chapter Tactics" per turn
- Has melee AND ranged weapons on cheap units that get deadlier on 6s
- Infiltrates units that have Tesla-style melee weapons and Rending ranged ones
- Has an Imperial Knight just to flip you the bird

Ran a CSM list against it once. Three vehicles were dead or immobilized (effectively dead), Be'lakor died to melee combat against basic troops from full health WHILE INVISIBLE (lost 3 health just on the overwatch), and the Nurgle Prince with Biomanced Toughness 8 was murdered. That was turn 1. By the end of turn 2, the only thing still on my side of the field were Cultists.

I think you are just bad...

Tactical Spam, That is borderline rude. Do it again and I will report you.

Look, CSM has a very hard time with a very gimped codex. Chaos Daemon factory is the better army.

Lord Commisar, holy crap, I thought Arkaine was be a sarcastic smart ass. I just conceded and agreed with his statement. An army cant be grade A competitive if it cant beat ScatBike, SkyHammer, War Convo.

Akaine, are you a newbie? its alright to admit it. You sound just like me 6 years ago.

btw Can anyone post a 1330pt War Convo list? Then post the hard counter free upgrades and the total points of the upgrades even though its free so I can see how much of a margin they get for free?

 Filch wrote:
Akaine, are you a newbie? its alright to admit it. You sound just like me 6 years ago.

Nope, been playing since 3rd edition. Picked up the 1KSons back then and participated in the Eye of Terror campaign. I miss having 2 wounds per model, including Terminators, bolters that fired blast templates for additional wounds instead of AP, an old school S8 I4 Bloodthirster, and a Sorcerer Lord with a retinue of Tzeentch Chosen which were ALL Sorcerers each capable of casting Doombolt back when it was S5 AP4 Assault 3 and those stats were considered good. Now I've expanded to an all gods army with every special character including Be'lakor and Cypher, several Forgeworld units, a Macro Aquila, and three Plasma Obliterators.


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 Lord Commissar wrote:
I don't think the above saying this list is top tier is satire.

It is satire... It's a one-dimensional list with two elements, autocannon spam and knight spam. There's got to be plenty of counters possible there including the ones mentioned. It's still a fun list though, like a parody of the Eldar jetbike list.

Spam S6 shots and Knights to win.