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From what I understand of Kharn's character, he's pretty much a lone rampaging Khorne warrior who teams up, fight and betray anybody he comes across. This seem to be the same thing that the Khorne Daemonkin warbands do all the time, in light of their fluff. So... is there a good reason to say Kharn isn't a lil bit like them and then include him in the codex army list ?

Kharn isn't a member of the warbands that are out to summon Daemons. Therefore he isn't a member of a Daemonkin so he's not in the codex.

There are fluff reasons (He's a world eater, and KDK isn't about them) but they aren't good reasons. It's very sad.

Absolutely no reason karanak wasn't included. Skarbrand would fit well too.

KDK exist to summon Khorne's greatest fighters to the battlefield.

Kharn IS Khorne's greatest fighter, so if he is already at the battlefield there is [edit]no one[/edit] better to summon.

/fudge

also, I think GW want to avoid repeating special characters across codexes, and avoid having different versions of the exact same guy once one of these codexes gets redone.

This is so sad.

It really pains me. #1, Kharn is my favorite dude in all 40k. I crafted my CSM as World Eaters, used him all the time, and when KDK came out I jumped on it and was sad he wasn't there. My KDK force is still World Eaters, just a fragment of the legion that still calls itself World Eaters, but since they've been in the warp so long they're mostly mutated (gives good fluff explanation for Possessed and Warp Talons) and their thinning numbers makes them end up being mostly daemons. Having Kharn in there would've been awesome, and I still use him as a Berzerker champ on the rare occasions I use Berzerkers.

World Eaters aren't even brought up as a primary force for the codex.
Its all offshoots and successor chapters.
The whole codex would make a lot more sense if it included no named characters.
Then it would be about the Khornate Daemons and Warbands/Cults not important enough for the main books, and how those forces fight.
But then they put in Skulltaker.
I cannot understand why unless there are a ton of Skulltakers, which isn't fluffy nor does it make any sense.
Why wouldn't Khorne just replace his Bloodletter force with Skulltakers if he could make loads of him?
Its not like he's a Greater Daemon that requires more of Khornes power to make.

Well, technically, the World Eaters legion doesn't exist anymore. Kharn destroyed its unity. So the whole ''Kharn is a world eater'' thing doesn't make any sense. Kharn fights with and kills pretty much anyone (except he teams up only with Chaos). As for Skulltaker, he's an elevated bloodletter. Khorne didn't created him like that. He elevated him to that point because he liked his atittude. And now I'm reminded that he doesn't have the option to mount a Juggernaut... Now I'm twice as sad. Oh, and for the question why did Khorne elevated only one bloodletter to the skulltaker level... well, he's chaos. Chaos and rational thinking aren't really linked.

Because GW hates CSM. They make a decent codex, then leave out the coolest fething character.

Because the Daemonkin are all about summoning demons and that isn't Kharn's style

Nothing stopping you from allying in Kharn. I know that's not the point though; it would be better if he was included in the codex itself.

Yes ( I love those yes or no questions )

People they want people to have to buy 2 codex's if they want to field Kharn in a Daemonkin army.

That's really the only reason I see. No fluff reason.

We just house ruled him in, but I admit it's a headscrather

 Harriticus wrote:
No fluff reason.

Arguably the decision may not have been primarily due to fluff reasons, but, secondary as they may be, fluff reasons do exist. People have already explained with prose, but perhaps a infographic might help deliver the information differently.

Also, if you're using Zerkers, can't you ally Kharne and use CSM Zerkers?

Kharn is Legion.

That's about the best reasoning I've got.

Fluff has shown that Kharn can be summoned, without his permission, so it stands to reason that wanted or not, the deamonkin could likely summon him to the battlefield.

What? Kharn can be summoned?
Is he secretly a Daemon Prince?

I think technically anything can be summoned, even more so a champion of the Dark Gods (they aren't really natural creatures anymore).

 Mantorok wrote:
What? Kharn can be summoned?
Is he secretly a Daemon Prince?

He was literally summoned to kill azrael, by a deamon, so it shows precedence that he can be summoned to a battlefield, whether you would want to is another thing entirely, also having him as an allie with a unit of bezerkers would achieve the same effect in game terms, easy to justify.