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Now obviously there's the big four chaos Gods ruling the warp, but are there other lesser gods inhabiting the warp or is it just the big four and there associated daemons?

I know there was originally meant to be a fifth chaos God but I don't know whether or not they are or ever were cannon.

Thanks in advance

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Well, there's Malal, who is pretty much the Anti-Chaos Chaos God, I can't think of any others off the top of my head

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Well the eight points of the star of chaos has a point for each of the chaos gods. The big four, and then four lessor ones. For the life of me I can't remember their names though.

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Well, you have Nehoco, who IIRC was practically the opposite of Tzeentch. IE God of Shooting himself in the foot and not allowing plans to come together, even if it's his followers' plans.

There's also the god of atheism, who doesn't reward you gifts and expects no worship in return.

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There are several minor Chaos gods, but all are very obscure and of dubious canonicity (given that they appear in only very few works)
There are Ans'l, Mo'rcck and Phraz-Etar, the spikes on CSM armour serve to honour them. They only appear in the 3rd edition CSM codex.
There also is Malice (not Malal! Malal is from WHFB, not 40k), who represents the chaotic tendencies of the Warp. Since he can be summoned, he may just be a powerful independent daemon or Warp being rather than a true Chaos god. Malice appears in the short story 'Labyrinth' by Richard Ford and the 3rd edition CSM codex.

Nehoco, mentioned above, is also from WHFB (he appears in 'Something rotten in Kislev' and 'Road of Skulls'), not 40k.
Other lesser Chaos gods in WHFB are Zuvassin, Hashut and the Horned Rat. Archaon the Everchosen also becomes a god. None of them has ever appeared in 40k.

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 2BlackJack1 wrote:
Well, you have Nehoco, who IIRC was practically the opposite of Tzeentch. IE God of Shooting himself in the foot and not allowing plans to come together, even if it's his followers' plans.

There's also the god of atheism, who doesn't reward you gifts and expects no worship in return.


Necoho is the god of atheism. Zuvassin the undoer is the opposite of Tzeentch who loves to unravels everyone's plans including his own.

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 King Pariah wrote:
 2BlackJack1 wrote:
Well, you have Nehoco, who IIRC was practically the opposite of Tzeentch. IE God of Shooting himself in the foot and not allowing plans to come together, even if it's his followers' plans.

There's also the god of atheism, who doesn't reward you gifts and expects no worship in return.


Necoho is the god of atheism. Zuvassin the undoer is the opposite of Tzeentch who loves to unravels everyone's plans including his own.


So wait, this Zuvassin thing.. When someone moves a rock, he moves it back, then realizing his own plan, he moves it back another centimeter. Just as no one planned!

I guess they are lesser gods for a reason.

   
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Chaos is Chaotic. There's probably thousands of lesser entities with their own personalities in the warp. Gods and Daemons are created from emotions, and there are certainly more than just four emotions in the universe. Furies for example, are created by indecision. There are also independent daemon princes that were mortals, but rose to daemonhood without having the dedicate themselves to a particular god. These independent daemons can be patrons to mortal champions (the Blood Gorgons have a daemon as their patron), and they can even create their own lesser demonic servants.

In this case the line between god and daemon is somewhat blurred. A powerful daemon could essentially become a god, and the opposite could also occur, a weakened god could expend all its power to turn itself into a single daemon. This stuff is all elaborated on in Realms of Chaos:Lost and the Damned. The intention was that players could use the fluff/rules for independent powers to create their own, so there aren't many examples of these being in the established fluff. But some authors have used this concept for themselves in novels, as in the above mentioned Blood Gorgons.

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I'd anticipate a full range of Chaos entities running from little spriteful (spiteful?) spirits all the way up to the big four. All working at cross purposes to each other, of course.

I doubt very much that there are exactly eight Chaos Gods and that is the reason for the eight pointed star. That's entirely too neat and Order-ly for Chaos. More likely there are ninety seven and a half Chaos Gods or somesuch. This week.

The Great Game has winners and losers. The power of various entities rises and falls. Even the big four are not eternal in their current forms; they too may be subject to the mutating properties of the Warp, and may themselves change over time. Though as long as they keep being fed fresh ambitions/dreams/nightmares/fears appropriate to their current forms they are probably the most stable warp entities around.

Some warp denizens are aligned with one of the Big Four, some oppose one or more or all of the biggies, and some are just interested in tending to their own little bit of the immaterium. Some may not even be ambitious or malicious. The entities of the immaterium do reflect the thoughts, desires and fears of the Galaxy's sentient entities after all, so not every warp denizen is going to be malicious.

However... with the Galaxy in such a deplorable state warp the less malicious entities tend to become twisted and... well... warped over time.

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Well and there are lesser gods that use to be greater Daemons of the larger gods and plenty of daemon princes who serve them selves admittedly and only serve their patrons unintentionally


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Also, the Bleeding Chalice had a Daemon Prince the Mechanicum accidentally created build an empire and come within a centimeter of becoming Nurgle's little brother before the Soul Drinkers pimp-slapped him into oblivion.

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The concept of "Chaos gods" is a construct anyway. There are many gods in the warp, and they all war with each other. Eldar gods, Gork and Mork etc are all gods in the warp, just like the ones viewed as "gods of chaos". Any entity that can amass enough followers can become a god.

The difference with the 4 "main" gods and Gork and Mork is that they represent primal emotions. Other gods seem to represent facets of the races they are worshiped by, but are not as primal. Gork and Mork are slightly odd ones in that they are both. They represent orkyness, but due to the way orks are this is both a facet of them as a race but also a primal instinct of orks.

An example of this would be the Emperor is essentially a god of humanity. His godhood represents what humans see as definitely human. Self sacrificing, humble, strong, paternal, loving, almost a perfect human. Or the eldar gods represent various facets of "being eldar". Khaine, the warrior, Asuryan, the wise sage. However a human can be mean, proud, week, an eldar can be unwise, not a warrior etc. As a race they are these things, and aim for them, but they are not primal and fundamental to their being, but rage, jealousy, and entropy are to all things, hence the four chaos gods. But orks are orkey. It is both who they are, what they do and fundamental both an individual ork and orks as a whole. An ork can chose to not be orkey any more than a human can chose to never get angry.

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 gwarsh41 wrote:
 King Pariah wrote:
 2BlackJack1 wrote:
Well, you have Nehoco, who IIRC was practically the opposite of Tzeentch. IE God of Shooting himself in the foot and not allowing plans to come together, even if it's his followers' plans.

There's also the god of atheism, who doesn't reward you gifts and expects no worship in return.


Necoho is the god of atheism. Zuvassin the undoer is the opposite of Tzeentch who loves to unravels everyone's plans including his own.


So wait, this Zuvassin thing.. When someone moves a rock, he moves it back, then realizing his own plan, he moves it back another centimeter. Just as no one planned!

I guess they are lesser gods for a reason.


More like, Zuvassin is the Chaos Power of Murphey's Law, of the unforeseen complication, or the fatal flaw that was somehow overlooked, despite all of your careful and meticulous planning.

During the 13th Black Crusade, when Cadia fell to Chaos, it was most likely Zuvassin that undid Creed and his "tactical genius", working its magics in the Warp.

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 Psienesis wrote:
 gwarsh41 wrote:
 King Pariah wrote:
 2BlackJack1 wrote:
Well, you have Nehoco, who IIRC was practically the opposite of Tzeentch. IE God of Shooting himself in the foot and not allowing plans to come together, even if it's his followers' plans.

There's also the god of atheism, who doesn't reward you gifts and expects no worship in return.


Necoho is the god of atheism. Zuvassin the undoer is the opposite of Tzeentch who loves to unravels everyone's plans including his own.


So wait, this Zuvassin thing.. When someone moves a rock, he moves it back, then realizing his own plan, he moves it back another centimeter. Just as no one planned!

I guess they are lesser gods for a reason.


More like, Zuvassin is the Chaos Power of Murphey's Law, of the unforeseen complication, or the fatal flaw that was somehow overlooked, despite all of your careful and meticulous planning.

During the 13th Black Crusade, when Cadia fell to Chaos, it was most likely Zuvassin that undid Creed and his "tactical genius", working its magics in the Warp.

Zuvassin does not exist in 40k.

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 War Kitten wrote:
Well, there's Malal, who is pretty much the Anti-Chaos Chaos God, I can't think of any others off the top of my head


Who the is this Malal you people talk about?

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The Sons of Malice, the Malice-worshipping CSM chapter/warband/whatever, is featured in Imperial Armour: Volume 13, but just referred to as an "unknown chapter". On the art for the Fire Raptor, which is decked out with skulls from other traitor marines.

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 Iron_Captain wrote:
 Psienesis wrote:
 gwarsh41 wrote:
 King Pariah wrote:
 2BlackJack1 wrote:
Well, you have Nehoco, who IIRC was practically the opposite of Tzeentch. IE God of Shooting himself in the foot and not allowing plans to come together, even if it's his followers' plans.

There's also the god of atheism, who doesn't reward you gifts and expects no worship in return.


Necoho is the god of atheism. Zuvassin the undoer is the opposite of Tzeentch who loves to unravels everyone's plans including his own.


So wait, this Zuvassin thing.. When someone moves a rock, he moves it back, then realizing his own plan, he moves it back another centimeter. Just as no one planned!

I guess they are lesser gods for a reason.


More like, Zuvassin is the Chaos Power of Murphey's Law, of the unforeseen complication, or the fatal flaw that was somehow overlooked, despite all of your careful and meticulous planning.

During the 13th Black Crusade, when Cadia fell to Chaos, it was most likely Zuvassin that undid Creed and his "tactical genius", working its magics in the Warp.

Zuvassin does not exist in 40k.


Sure he does. Find me something that tells me he doesn't.

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Well there's that little thing Nurgle keeps as a pet from the current story, who is a god of healing and regeneration, undoing all of Nurgle's diseases. Also Malice, but GW can't use him anymore because they lost the rights.

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 Chaos Spawn wrote:
Well there's that little thing Nurgle keeps as a pet from the current story, who is a god of healing and regeneration, undoing all of Nurgle's diseases. Also Malice, but GW can't use him anymore because they lost the rights.


GW lost rights to Malal, not Malice.

And I'm pretty sure the Eldar would be appalled at calling their goddess Isha a "little thing"... please, continue

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40k Universe: Malice (formerly known as Malal), an unnamed God worshiped by CSM Raptor cults

Fantasy Universe: Horned Rat, the Great Maw too IIRC.

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Eye of Terror.

 King Pariah wrote:
 Chaos Spawn wrote:
Well there's that little thing Nurgle keeps as a pet from the current story, who is a god of healing and regeneration, undoing all of Nurgle's diseases. Also Malice, but GW can't use him anymore because they lost the rights.


GW lost rights to Malal, not Malice.

And I'm pretty sure the Eldar would be appalled at calling their goddess Isha a "little thing"... please, continue

Malal was the same as Malice, only the name for him in 40k rather than Fantasy. Sorry Isha, I'm a Tzeentch worshiper and just want to make Nurgle look bad.

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