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Hello all. I used the search engine but I couldnt find anything so I have a queston!

Cast of players in codex harlequins says that you can have a troupe, a death jester and a shadowseer as a formation. Restrictions say "all units in this formation must be deployed as a single unit. SThe death jester and shadowseer cannot leave the unit."

I was wondering what happens when you purchase a transport for the troupe.

What I assume happens is that since the rstriction says all models deploy as a single unit you cannot actually deploy embarked since then one unit would be off table thus breaking unit coherecy. Other than that I'd assume that you could just detatch the transport since the "no leave" doesnt apply to it, and that you could use i as normal after that. What do you think, am I completly off the tracks here?

Embarked Units are on the table (even if the models are not).

Only ICs are permitted to leave units on their own.

I suppose GW could be assuming the position that "part of" and "in this" are not the same thing?

I believe where you run into an issue with putting the cast of players in their vehicle, is that you exceed transport capacity. You could purchase the starweaver and have it zipping about doing its own thing, but you have to wait until at least one guy gets shot before they can hop in.

 seapheonix wrote:
I believe where you run into an issue with putting the cast of players in their vehicle, is that you exceed transport capacity. You could purchase the starweaver and have it zipping about doing its own thing, but you have to wait until at least one guy gets shot before they can hop in.

Indeed. The better option would be to give them a Raider, which many fine merchants in the Corsair and Commoragh factions would be happy to provide you for a low, low price that you can pay off in several easy installments.

Ah yes ofcourse. I am stupid, they dont fit in the transport XD

Would the assumption that they have to deploy in unit coherecy still be correct tho?

Khurgar wrote:
Would the assumption that they have to deploy in unit coherecy still be correct tho?

Well, there are two ways it could work out:
(1) The "all models are a single unit" only applies to the Jester, Seer and Troupe, leaving the Dedicated transport (despite being part of the Formation) free to deploy on it's own exactly as normal for a DT (i.e. no restrictions except what can start in it. It's a separate unit in all respects).
(2) The transport must also be in the same unit. Meaning we have a unit containing both vehicle models and non-vehicle models, in which case the game breaks as soon as we shoot the unit and have to work out whether to roll to-wound or to penetrate...

The rules could go either way, but when in doubt I usually go with the way that doesn't break the game.

Option 1 seems like the RAI way to go!

Purchasing a dedicated transport can be used as a mobile gun platform for say the Death Jest from Hero's Path while your Troupe footslogs due to not fitting in the transport.

The death jester in the cast of players formation is not allowed to leave the unit, so no, he cannot be alone in the transport. There is no wording in the formation that the transport has to stay in coherency, nor does it say that it may not be purchased for the troupe either.

The transport can do anything a dedicated transport chosen for a unit that is too big to ride in it can do. Just like taking a razorback for a unit of 10 grey hunters. It will be there to cart around other people and provide fire support until the unit is small enough to embark, then they may choose to do so.

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
The death jester in the cast of players formation is not allowed to leave the unit, so no, he cannot be alone in the transport. There is no wording in the formation that the transport has to stay in coherency, nor does it say that it may not be purchased for the troupe either.

If this was in response to Erik_Morkai, note he said to use it as a transport (after waiting a turn) for a model from The Hero's Path formation, he's not suggesting you can split off the DJ from a Cast of Players.

Oh, derp. My bad

 Quanar wrote:

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
The death jester in the cast of players formation is not allowed to leave the unit, so no, he cannot be alone in the transport. There is no wording in the formation that the transport has to stay in coherency, nor does it say that it may not be purchased for the troupe either.

If this was in response to Erik_Morkai, note he said to use it as a transport (after waiting a turn) for a model from The Hero's Path formation, he's not suggesting you can split off the DJ from a Cast of Players.

Exactly. I know you can't split it from Cast of Players. You have no idea how often I pondered Cegorach trolling players with restrictions like that. "My followers shall be grouped by 6 but the clown car only carries 5!"

Actually the Harlies should have a "Clown Car" transport. You know something the size of a Venom but carries 15. That would be awesome.

 Erik_Morkai wrote:
You have no idea how often I pondered Cegorach trolling players with restrictions like that. "My followers shall be grouped by 6 but the clown car only carries 5!"

Starweavers transport six models, not five.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Erik_Morkai wrote:
You have no idea how often I pondered Cegorach trolling players with restrictions like that. "My followers shall be grouped by 6 but the clown car only carries 5!"

Starweavers transport six models, not five.

And the Cast of Players is minimum of 7. Right query, wrong math!

The overly-restrictive-ness of the Harlequins codex does make me sad sometimes though. Would an "allied detachment" equivalent have killed the rules writer?