KDK : Terminators and berzerkers; useless units ?

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**Warzoner**

Let's talk about KDK without the detachments and the formations and etc.
Are terminators and berzerkers still useful as units, knowing that we have bloodletters and flesh hounds ? And if yes, how are we suppose to use them ?

**AncientSkarbrand**

Pretty useless yeah... but chain fist combimelta terminators of khorne assaulting out of a land raider will kill super heavies really well as long as they aren't a walker with stomp.

Other than that... I can't see much use. And that in itself is a rather inefficient, expensive, niche use.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Terminators still got Termicide going for them, and with FNP aren't at all that bad for durability.

Berserker Marines are still pretty damn useless though.

**phoenix darkus**

Berzerkers in the Fist of Khorne formation would be pretty solid.

The sergeant with an axe of Khorne will chop wood in CC the problem is mobility, they'll usually get shredded before they get anywhere useful. In a LR maybe?

**Brennonjw**

I suppose the answer depends on how min-maxed you wanna be. Both units have their uses: both are fun to bring for fluff reasons, both have a better save then daemons, both have access to transports and the terminators have actual weapon upgrades. If your going to win tournaments without a lot of extra effort, no, bring more daemons.