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Hello, denzins of proposed rules, I return to you with yet anther crazy idea, that may take some time for you to wrap your heads around.

1. Chosen gain infiltrate, this one is probably the most laughable, who in their wildest dreams would have CSM not running in straight lines screaming manically? It appears I would (being chased by lumps of cheese is another one, but that's for another time)

2. Some form of offensive thrown explosive ability for Warp Talons that allows them to charge into cover at initiative, I don't know what you would name this ability, as I'm not really that good at naming things.

3. Imagine if you will a world where the monstrosities known as Obliterators and Mutilators, didn't have to switch weapons every turn.

I shall now bow out before the calls of "that's too OP" threaten to tear my ears off, and the angry mob storms my front door.

And again apologies for making you read these shambolic ideas. I will now commit sudoku.

Fairly certain you posted this in the wrong forum....


1. They had that last edition.

2. Like frag grenades?

3. They also had that last edition. Except Muties, but they didn't exist.

I can only blame tiny phone screen. And am even more deeply ashamed that I have some how ended up in P&M, Also I'm dazed and confused.

 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:
3. Imagine if you will a world where the monstrosities known as Obliterators and Mutilators, didn't have to switch weapons every turn.

the other two are fine, and get tossed around every so often on this board but I find it hard to see why anyone thinks this is a good idea. Oblits and Mutas are the only units in the CSM codex this edition that were not hit with the d6 chart nonsense. Having to switch weapons every turn is hardly that difficult.

It might not be difficult if you're up in the opponent's face with the Obliterators but it's ridiculously inconvenient, on top of the SaP when they have the option for Flamers but cannot Overwatch...

I would like to run 4th ed CSM in this 7th ed meta. Is what you are trying to suggest.

3 squads of chosen with rhinos outflanking was the best. or Infiltrating

Oblitz pumping out lascannons and or autocannons each turn was great!

I would like to have my Lash Daemo Prince and 150 pt defilers back. Deamon Prince were also only 100pts back then. Also Plague Marines were 23pts. U also did not need to have a costly champion in a squad.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
It might not be difficult if you're up in the opponent's face with the Obliterators but it's ridiculously inconvenient, on top of the SaP when they have the option for Flamers but cannot Overwatch...

I'd rather have SaP than nothing, but ideally they'd have Relentless. Why does SaP even exist again?

 KharnsRightHand wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
It might not be difficult if you're up in the opponent's face with the Obliterators but it's ridiculously inconvenient, on top of the SaP when they have the option for Flamers but cannot Overwatch...

I'd rather have SaP than nothing, but ideally they'd have Relentless. Why does SaP even exist again?

Mutas and Oblits could be better off without S&P but the rule exists so centurions and similar things have their own feel. I feel like relentless should be its own thing, but a "slow" special rule should be a thing too. Instead of S&P existing, some units could be Relentless and also Slow.